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whitewave Mon 11-Jul-16 17:47:02

New thread folks!

Helps keep track of new cabinet and her early days. Will be interesting.

daphnedill Mon 05-Sept-16 18:13:33

Well, aren't you lucky, firecracker! I bet the refugees in Calais wish they had only ever experienced love and happiness.

Welshwife Mon 05-Sept-16 18:10:33

Not the French in general but the inhabitants of Calais who have had insufficient help from the Govt. and other authorities.

Firecracker123 Mon 05-Sept-16 17:54:48

mcem I wasn't going to respond to your patronizing post but as the Calais Jungle is one of the top stories on the news today I will. No trauma in my life only love and happiness. It seems even the French have had enough of the Jungle.

JessM Mon 05-Sept-16 16:08:32

Yes indeed - more in need of our compassion. I met a couple earlier who I think are newly arrived Syrians (the man was out helping to fill the container for Lebanon on Saturday, in the rain and I recognised him). Kid just started school today. I could only speculate what they might have been through.

daphnedill Mon 05-Sept-16 14:07:08

I agree, JessM. Whilst I sympathise with the family in Scotland and the lady in Australia, I feel that Syrian refugees have a greater right to have a safe home.

JessM Mon 05-Sept-16 07:38:32

If they had breached the Australian visa regulations then they would be deported quite swiftly I suspect. There are many people trying to stay in the UK who are more in need of sympathy and support than these nice white people with a cute story to tell about life on an island.
Australians are currently throwing out anyone who has ever had a criminal conviction - even if it was trivial or decades ago - back to their home country, even if they left that country as a babe in arms.
And examples like this:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3430033/British-grandmother-four-75-faces-deportation-Australia-officials-say-ill-stay-there.html

daphnedill Mon 05-Sept-16 01:01:16

Yes, I know she was the Home Secretary and she could order special consideration. However, they really aren't the only family who have been affected by the withdrawal of the two year post-study visa scheme. This had been withdrawn before the couple came to Scotland and they should have known about it. Scotland doesn't have its own immigration rules.

Jalima Sun 04-Sept-16 23:56:12

No, but the OP is Theresa May and she was Home Secretary.

Yes to the next post, I think Turkey is overwhelmed.

daphnedill Sun 04-Sept-16 23:40:51

@Jalima

On second thoughts, Turkey is not a good idea. They should be prosecuted and sentenced, if guilty. However, it would depend on their circumstances what happened then.

daphnedill Sun 04-Sept-16 23:39:13

They are threatened with deportation, because they can't get a Tier 2 visa, like many other families. They haven't been entirely honest, but the Home Office could stop the deportation. It has nothing to do with the EU.

Jalima Sun 04-Sept-16 23:14:02

mcem do you know what has happened to the Australian and Canadian families living in Scotland who are being deported?
Invited here to re-populate the Highlands, I think, settled here for years but now have to leave.
I understand Alec Salmond is fighting their cases.

Jalima Sun 04-Sept-16 23:06:02

daphnedil a bit late replying to your post re the migrants/refugees causing criminal damage on the roads at Calais: I am not sure that the answer would be to send them to refugee camps in Turkey.
Turkey is struggling with an overwhelming number of refugees; many vulnerable women, children and babies are living in these camps and thd last thing they need is to have these thugs inflicted on them.
They have broken the law in France and should face French justice then have a decision made about their future. I expect others in the camp at Calais would be glad to see them gone too.

Most refugees do not behave like this.

mcem Sun 04-Sept-16 22:22:33

'Migrants or whatever you call them'.
I simply call them people who need help.
I am currently waiting to hear if I can put my experience in education to good use by helping to teach English to my new fellow-citizens.
I have not joined any clique. Can't you see that the majority of posters simply do not agree with your blinkered and unpleasant views?
I reiterate - it's sad that anyone should feel so embittered unless of course you have suffered some personal trauma which would of course colour your view. If this is indeed the case I apologise for criticising your opinions and thinking they were simply expressing prejudice.

JessM Sun 04-Sept-16 22:16:06

Oh do give over Firecracker123 You have expressed opinions that many find somewhat offensive, so don't be surprised if several people disagree with you.

Meanwhile, if you have a few thousand to spare, and want to lobby the PM or other ministers on this topic (or any other) read on:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/01/lunch-with-theresa-may-thatll-will-be-3150?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics#link_time=1472745739

Firecracker123 Sun 04-Sept-16 21:55:59

mcem what is sad is the little clique of posters on here who gang up on any other posters who do not agree with them. Do you actually do any thing to help migrants or whatever you want to call them or do you just post sympathetic words to make you seem a good person without actually doing anything, talks cheap.

Firecracker123 Sun 04-Sept-16 21:47:57

trisher don't try to play the racist card with me you know nothing about me and don't twist what I have posted to take the moral high ground. What exactly do you to help migrants, asylum seekers, economic migrants what ever you want to call them.

mcem Sun 04-Sept-16 21:46:45

Hear hear trisher. Very sad.

daphnedill Sun 04-Sept-16 20:53:38

It doesn't do anybody any favours murdering and attacking immigrants either: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/polish-hate-crime-harlow-essex-attacked-murdered-vigil-arek-j-wik-brexit-a7225166.html

The former East Germany has been a hotbed of racism for years. there are some quite complex reasons for that, mainly connected with being the 'left behinders' in the new united Germany.

trisher Sun 04-Sept-16 20:47:39

I don't know where you live or the sort of people you mix with Firecracker123 but most of the people I know are sympathetic and understanding, welcoming the refugees and recognising the horrors that have brought them here. I feel sorry for you, your prejudice and hatred must be so draining and damaging.

POGS Sun 04-Sept-16 20:40:22

Merkle has suffered a blow today in the German State Election.

It might have a 'small' effect all in all as it won't have much impact on the government but it will hurt no doubt coming 3rd in her own State.

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/04/mecklenburg-vorpommern-german-anti-immigrant-party-strong-regional-election-exit-polls-merkel

Will it prove significant, who knows. The point is immigration is an issue for all of Europe and it does no favours to not debate and understand why so many have concerns and just call them names.

Tegan Sun 04-Sept-16 19:32:28

sad

varian Sun 04-Sept-16 19:08:34

My ten year old grand-daughter is distraught because her best friend's family have decided to go back to Poland as they no longer feel welcome in this country.

This family have been here for five years. Both parents work and pay taxes. They are thoroughly integrated into the community and have made many friends but the events of the last six months. the appalling EU referendum, the poisonous propganda of UKIP and the right wing press have made them feel they cannot stay.

Is this really what we want our tolerant liberal country to become????

mcem Sun 04-Sept-16 18:20:30

But in the light of the Brexit vote we have to wonder if these young european immigrants who are here, as you rightly say,perfectly legitimately WHILE WE ARE PART OF THE EU, will be able to stay post-Brexit. Who's to say that in a few years time, given support and friendship, today's potential migrants from Syria might well be running equally successful businesses?
History shows how well-integrated immigrants - eg Jews and Pakistanis - have achieved great success in the UK.

Firecracker123 Sun 04-Sept-16 18:10:12

mcem Polish and Germany migrants are free ro come and go because we are still in the EU I have no problem with them its the Calais jungle I have an issue with.

mcem Sun 04-Sept-16 18:06:58

I'm aware that TM hasn't decided yet but meantime I'm trying to gauge the opinion of either the 'send them home brigade' or the 'bleeding hearts and do-gooders'!
Might even get input from those who feel that their communities are coping well and that there is NO huge problem.

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