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The New Cabinet

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Gracesgran Wed 13-Jul-16 19:44:20

GO has resigned from the government
Philip Hammond appointed Chancellor

JessM Wed 27-Jul-16 09:46:43

Maybe it suits May to have a very weak Chancellor.

durhamjen Wed 27-Jul-16 13:22:39

Lord chancellor, not chancellor. In charge of the law, without any background in law.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/25/row-over-liz-truss-sexism-gender-law-lord-chancellor

durhamjen Wed 27-Jul-16 14:06:27

i2.wp.com/voxpoliticalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/160727-wage-change.jpg

Real wages in the UK down by as much as Greece's since the recession. Maybe we should all move to Poland. Actually, I know someone who has, and he and his family are loving it.

petra Wed 27-Jul-16 15:13:17

durhamjen. I'm amazed that you have friends who have moved to a country with such a right wing government.

durhamjen Wed 27-Jul-16 16:19:30

I do not tell my friends where they should move to, particularly when one of them is moving back home.

petra Wed 27-Jul-16 16:27:36

durhamjen Once again, twisting of words, naughty naughty. I never inferred that you had told your friends where to move to, just surprised that you mix with people who want to live under such a right wing government.
As least one of them has found that the grass isn't always greener.

durhamjen Wed 27-Jul-16 16:31:38

I never said you did infer that, petra. I just said I do not tell my friends where they can go and live.
GROW UP.

durhamjen Wed 27-Jul-16 16:50:11

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/07/27/hmrcs-failings-start-at-the-top-and-thats-where-change-is-needed/

I hope the new government realises the need to collect taxes, after this report from the PAC.
Even if it doubled the number of tax experts, it would still pay for itself in the tax take.

petra Wed 27-Jul-16 17:05:16

Your shouting again * durhamjen* How many times have I said that to the DGC today.
Still, if it makes you happy, and you don't seem to have much to make you happy, feel free smile my backs broard.

durhamjen Wed 27-Jul-16 17:10:17

You never will grow up, will you, petra.

nigglynellie Wed 27-Jul-16 17:27:28

Oh really! what a particularly silly comment dj. I think petra is pulling your leg somewhat and surely you can accept her banter without rearing up and squawking like an indignant hen?!!

durhamjen Wed 27-Jul-16 18:16:44

Might have known you'd get in on the act, niggly.

Gracesgran Wed 27-Jul-16 18:22:49

Oh dear niggly. I know you can hide behind your anonymity on here but really - calling people names? Even my six and eight year old GCs know better than that.

petra Wed 27-Jul-16 18:41:27

Grow up! Who wants to grow up. I've seen what happens to some people when they 'grow up,' they loose their sense of humour smile

nigglynellie Wed 27-Jul-16 19:34:14

What name did I call which person? I said 'LIKE a squawking hen!' I didn't say anyone WAS one!!

durhamjen Wed 27-Jul-16 20:08:14

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/26/british-eu-relations-to-be-resolved-by-2020-says-liam-fox

I find this strange. Fox saying that article 50 will be called on early next year, so everything is sorted by 2020 election, and being given credit for it.
I thought it was May's idea in the first place. It'll be scuppered if she calls an election.

whitewave Wed 27-Jul-16 20:10:33

He had a very Luke warm reception in America.

Anya Wed 27-Jul-16 21:54:50

Niggly you'd dared to mock her bestest mate.

durhamjen Wed 27-Jul-16 22:12:19

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/theresa-may-eu-citizens-rights-britons-abroad

Not very helpful. Still using EU citizens as bargaining chips.
Time she realised they are real people with homes, jobs and families. It's a bit like multilateral disarmament but without the weapons.
I think she would get a lot more goodwill if she actually said they would be safe here.

Granny2016 Thu 28-Jul-16 10:32:12

It is unilateral if May announces it without EU leaders agreeing.She has every intention of allowing people to stay and rightly so,but there needs to be a concensus.

Mamie Thu 28-Jul-16 11:28:19

We are real people here in the EU too DJ.
My son has lived in Spain for over 20 years, Spanish wife, Spanish children (including my grandson with ASD).
No guarantees yet from the Spanish government, no possibility of dual nationality, huge problems for non EU citizens to obtain work permits in his field.
Whilst I have huge sympathy for EU citizens in the UK (and know just how they feel) I think Theresa May is absolutely correct to refuse to make cast-iron guarantees before the official negotiations over our status, rights to residence and health care have taken place.
It is already stressful enough, believe me.

durhamjen Thu 28-Jul-16 12:09:35

I know that, Mamie.
Real people are not bargaining chips wherever they live.
The thing is, it's the British people who have caused this impasse, and they should be the ones to start the process of allowing rights to all EU citizens who live here to retain those rights.
Nothing wrong with a bit of magnanimity. It might make other countries feel more generous to UK residents living there.

durhamjen Thu 28-Jul-16 12:13:13

By the way, my son's wife is Spanish. I can't imagine both countries will consider doing swaps, can you?

Mamie Thu 28-Jul-16 12:31:04

But the problem is that thy might then decide not to display magnanimity in return. I really think she wants to give the assurance, but it is too risky.
The other issue with Spain is that you can't have dual nationality so although I have no doubt that our son will get it, he will have to give up his British nationality. Also my half-British grandchildren won't have an automatic right to live and work in the UK, nor yours in Spain (and Denmark?)
Swaps sound like a good idea!
It is all such a mess.....

durhamjen Thu 28-Jul-16 12:41:43

I have a brother who lives in Spain who had the choice of giving up his British nationality to get better tax deals. He did, as did his wife.
Denmark has just recently changed their laws on dual nationality, to accommodate the number of Danes who move abroad for work, then do not want to give up their birthright.
Like I said in an earlier post, it's whether you believe in multilateral or unilateral disarmament.
I believe that EU countries will do the right thing, so why not have the UK start it off, and give rights to EU citizens living here. There could always be a time limit; only to those who have lived here over 5 or 10 years.
Someone has to start being kind instead of suspicious all the time.
Do you have any reason to suppose the French or Spanish will treat expats badly?