Brexit watch, round 2

Errrmmmm, Tegan, no it doesn't, although I find it extraordinary that a BSc or social science qualification don't appear to include interpretation of data and concepts of validity.

I have a B. Ed. I am used to making things simpler for those who do not understand the first time.

No, I think what you mean daphnedil is that someone with a Bsc degree doesn't agree with your interpretation of data and concepts of validity*.

Well that's very commendable dj but please don't trouble on my account, I've understood everything first time.

As you wish*durhamjen*. All I know is what other people say through emails.

'I know I said that everything is open to interpretation, but really'...hmmm sounds a bit like making up the rules to suit yourself. If I choose to be offended by your implication that you're better at understanding things because you've got 'ologies' and I've only go 'O' Levels I shall do so. It makes me feel 'in control'.

But you didn't understand everything the first time, did you, Smileless. Otherwise you would not have written

" I find it extremely offensive that all those who voted to leave are being labelled in this way. "

Emails, petra? Not even PMs?
How many?

I wasn't implying that I'm any better at understanding because of my academic qualifications than anyone else Tegan I was merely defending myself regarding dj's misguided belief that she had to make things simple so I could understand.

My comment was to her, why should it offend you? I have no idea what qualifications you may or may not have, your opinions are as relevant as anyone else's. I haven't attempted to insult anyone's intelligence but if mine is, and it was, I shall defend myself.

Well ladies this has been a most enjoyable exchange of views, I'm off to bed now. Catch up with you all tomorrow.

But you didn't understand the first time, did you?
Or did you just pretend not to understand?

Well I guess that's for me to know and you to find out; or not.

I really must got be bed now. Catch up tomorrow.

durhamjen, you wrote "those who voted to leave",rather than "some of those who voted to leave",so maybe just a slip up.

My ex neighbour is racist and she voted to remain.
She ignored my lovely black neighbours,but was happy with her white one who drank lager all day and was rowdy.
She is not a nasty person.She has recurrent cancer and still works in her 70,s.
Racists come in all guises,and in varying degrees.
A man may have voted remain if he worked for a French company in the UK,but he may not like the French at all.

Some of us will have had experience of seriously anti social neighbours,those people who make life hell for others.The ones who make you nervous in your own garden , blast music through the walls at 3am,and have no respect for others,
I expect those committing these racist insults are of the same ilk .They kick out at others to compensate for their own shortcomings,and will pick on anyone who they see as being weaker than themselves.

I suspect that some of those dishing out the racial abuse didn,t actually turn out to vote at all.

I'll be polite and say tongue in cheek!

Granny2016.I meant to say I thought your post 27/7 at 11.09. was spot on by the way.
I can't agree that your neighbour is a lovely person if she ignores her black neighbours however.But I do agree with your point that some people are just rude,ignorant and anti- social.My DD has very elderly neighbours on both sides.One man struggling with his ill wife.The other lady with a husband with dementia.Both my daughter and her partner work shifts,and she heavily pregnant.But the neighbours immediately behind see fit to blast out a local radio station at an incredible volume for several hours on hot sunny days.
A considerable chunk of the population didn't turn out to vote.And I suspect a lot of the perpetrators of hate crime were amongst those.As you say some people just lash out and are bullies.I also still maintain that if the result had gone to Remain those types would still have kicked off.Its the Referendum that has thrown all the balls in the air.Not how people voted.These are turbulent times .With or without our Referendum. I'm sure and sad that in France,Germany,the Netherlands etc last night hate crimes were committed and those countries aren't exiting the EU.But even without a Referendum this year I feel we were heading into more turbulent times.So its even more important we should all try to treat each other with more tolerance and respect.
I realise myself that last week I posted a couple of replies that were snippy and sarcastic ,and I really regret those now.But I also realise at the time I felt defensive and to be honest rather patronised.No one on her has actually met me in person,knows how I live my life and treat my friends,neighbours and the people I share my community with.What my moral code is.
Then on Sunday I saw a post that to be honest was nothing short of vindictive and I stopped feeling defensive and cross and just felt very sad.And thought .How ironic.

Washerwoman Re those posts on Sunday. You have to understand that there are some very miserable people in this world. They were unhappy and miserable before brexit happened but this has opened up a wonderful opportunity to vent all their angst.
Just be grateful that you have a happy upbeat view on life.

Thanks Petra.I must confess I'm not a natural optimist.More a natural born worrier!but I attribute 30 plus years with DH,who is by no means a saint,but is a very kind,patient and tolerant man and living through a fair share of both economic and family tough times has shown me things are rarely as bad as they seem.And that sometimes what initially seems a disaster and can lead to opportunities never before considered.And that's in life in general.Not a reference to the Referendum before I get slammed !

I'm the same Ww, hoping for the best but always slightly expecting the worse!!! But generally I do try to put best foot forward and make something of whatever! continually being miserable and dismal is so off putting for other people and won't make you many friends, in fact it actively drives them away!

Don,t worry Washerwoman,I would expect people to get wound up on this thread...on both sides of the discussion.
My family and friends are all strong minded people and very opinionated.Too much sometimes.We voted on both sides in the referendum and discuss our differences with some heat ,but without insults.

Writing is not the same as speaking face to face...it is easy to misinterpret.

More good news from the Midlands...exports of British lamb and beef to the USA to re-commence.

Oh have they relaxed the BSE restrictions? About time it's ages sent it?

Never understood the need to import/export the same things from country to country, let alone between Europe and the US.
Bad for the environment.
Haven't lifted them yet, whitewave. There is a consultation on it, so it says in the Telegraph.

Yes WW the Farming Minister was here in Midlands today. It's almost certain to go ahead and exports should start in the new year. That'll give us some real bargaining power with the EU.

I've got such a glut of beetroot on the allotment that I'm thinking of exporting them too!

Errr...no...smileless, your interpretation is not what I meant. I meant what I wrote.

I have to agree with distance shipping and the environment,though it often means that we can import foodstuffs which we don,t have in abundance here.

We do import a lot of meat.
Most UK supermarkets sell Halal chicken, and a raw pack I picked up recently was from Brazil and Thailand !
I didn,t quite fancy the sources,let alone how far it had travelled.