Brexit watch, round 2

C'mon; Nissan are just using bully boy techniques; we can't have this...we're in control now. And, when they told us prior to the referendum that this would happen I'm afraid the 'experts' agreed with them which was a no no. The minute the North East vote came in I knew brexit was going to happen . As when Bombarider were going to close in Derby people don't think of the subsidiary industries that will be affected. And, of course, any Nissan worked who voted to stay were just being 'selfish'. They are the ones I feel sorry for.

If Nissan relocates (and in time it probably will), the workers in the factory would possibly be able to relocate to Spain, France or wherever. The ones who would suffer would be the people in the supply chain and the people who work in all the businesses where workers spend their money.

That would depend on the Brexit deal regarding expats, I would think.

I agree. At the moment everybody is jostling for their wishlist to be taken into account when the negotiations start. Nissan workers have skills which other countries would want. Unfortunately, their children won't, so the North East could end up back at Square 1.

I saw an article which said that many of the cross European deals such as Airbus and similar would probably run until the current agreements run out and then just not be renewed. Many companies will gradually be affected as it will be lot more difficult to work across the borders for auto companies etc who at the moment have components made in several EU countries. The full effect of a Brexit is unlikely to be felt for a number of years -- let's hope Theresa May's ideas of re industrialising Britain come to fruition.

I don't know what the deal with Nissan-Renault is. I don't think it's time-limited like Airbus, but it's certainly true that it imports components and can switch production at a press of a button to its Spanish factory.

Nissan has invested heavily in the North East and it's not going to close everything down and relocate in the immediate future. However, it stands to reason that next time Nissan introduces a new model and needs to invest in a new production line, it's going to think carefully where it locates it.

Yes, it will be interesting to see how Theresa May thinks she's going to reindustrialise Britain. I wonder what she's thinking of manufacturing and where she's thinking of selling whatever it is. Britain lost its manufacturing for a reason - I wonder how she's going to turn back the clock.

daphnedill obviously you read the The Sun you have just posted you looked on the online version today and you seem to know all the old headlines. No I don't buy The Sun but if I am waiting for an appointment and that is the only paper I will look at it. Perhaps instead of getting rid of The Sun readers who are probably working and paying taxes (a lot of men buy it for the sports pages) they could get rid of the illegal and failed asylum seeking who some of the posters in here seem to favour. By the way only joking of course.

What do illegal and failed asylum seekers have to do with anything I've ever written? I don't recall ever having 'favoured' or even supported them.

The Freddy Starr and 'Hop off you frogs' headlines were (in)famous and have been reproduced in many other places. Yes, I looked at today's paper, because I wanted to make a point. To be honest, I didn't think I'd be able to read it, because I thought it was behind a paywall along with the other Murdoch papers. I also see the headlines every time I go into Tesco - they're hard to miss.

What the heck has paying taxes got to do with anything? It's still possible to be a bigot and hypocrite while paying taxes.

I was actually referring to the article which was posted, when I made my comment about deporting all Sun readers. Do you deny that the Sun article is hypocritical? Is that why you want to shift the focus of your argument?

Well, I don'r remember those stories, apart from a vague recollection about Freddie Star and a hanster and furores about page 3 as I don't think I've ever read the Sun - apart from an occasionL link which some posters may put on here.
If I did read it I think DS would disown me.

Excuse typos, cannot seem to get back to correct them
Anyway, I am in training

I remember the 'Hop off you frogs' one, because they issued badges. I think it was something to do with the French refusing to buy English lamb. It was my first or second year of teaching French and about half of one of my classes turned up wearing the badges.

I didn't read the Freddie Starr headline when it appeared, but people quote it and show a picture of the front page in articles about the British press. It appeared in a few articles during the Levenson Enquiry. The story was a total fabrication, but somehow the Sun got away with it. I suppose Freddie Starr could have sued, but I don't know what damages he could have been awarded.

PS. I read all sorts of stuff without necessarily agreeing with it, just so long as I don't have to pay for it. I have to limit my reading of certain media, because I have to be careful with my blood pressure .

I read the Mirror quite often. I really did think that the Sun was behind a paywall, so I didn't bother, but I think I'll add it to my list, so that I can get my daily dose of feeling outraged .

Hope you monitor your BP carefully, too much Sun is not good for you!

Here's the Wiki entry....

Freddie Starr was the subject of one of the best known British tabloid newspaper headlines. On 13 March 1986 The Sun carried as its main headline: FREDDIE STARR ATE MY HAMSTER. According to the text of the story, Starr had been staying at the home of Vince McCaffrey and his 23-year-old girlfriend Lea La Salle in Birchwood, Cheshire, when the alleged incident took place. Starr was claimed to have returned home from a performance at a Manchester nightclub in the early hours of the morning and demanded that La Salle make him a sandwich. When she refused, he went into the kitchen and put her pet hamster Supersonic between two slices of bread and proceeded to eat it.

Freddie Starr gives his side of the story in his 2001 autobiography Unwrapped. He says that the only time that he ever stayed at Vince McCaffrey's house was in 1979 and that the incident was a complete fabrication. Starr writes in the book: "I have never eaten or even nibbled a live hamster, gerbil, guinea pig, mouse, shrew, vole or any other small mammal". The man behind the hamster story was the British publicist Max Clifford. When asked in a television interview with Esther Rantzen some years later whether Starr really had eaten a hamster, his reply was "Of course not". Clifford was unapologetic, insisting that the story had given a huge boost to Starr's career. In May 2006 the BBC nominated "FREDDIE STARR ATE MY HAMSTER" as one of the most familiar British newspaper headlines over the last century.[6] Starr's frustration at being linked perpetually to the hamster story was expressed in a newspaper interview, when he commented: "I'm fed up of people shouting out 'Did you eat that hamster, Freddie?' Now I say, give me £1 and I'll tell you. Then if they give me £1, I say 'No' and walk away." Starr says that the story came about after he made an offhand joke about eating a hamster in a sandwich.[

my friend says he only buys the Sun for the sports page Firecracker and I've always teased him and said it's for the boobs; maybe he's been telling the truth all along.

@Jalima

It's not too good for skin cancer and wrinkles either.

Isn't it Murdoch who doesn't pay his taxes?
Another reason not to read the Sun, even if it's free.

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/08/tory-mep-dan-hannan-endorses-campaign-to-bring-back-blue-passports-gets-mocked-ruthlessly/

I bet Hannan wished he hadn't endorsed this from the Sun.

politicalscrapbook.net/2016/08/daily-express-reports-on-muslims-for-trump-with-a-picture-of-a-sikh-man/

Just for those who think I'm only against the Sun. Nothing to do with Brexit, but never mind.

Good grief.
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/163824
And it is honi soit ....
Bet the Queen is impressed.

Obviously thinking evil.
Only has 40 signatures so far.
Searched for the man who set it up, but no info. Bet he's a Ukipper, though.

Oh fgs
My school motto was in French, the school badge was French (English school)

Quelle que soit la prochaine

It has to be a wind up (surely).

well, I don't know, apparently government documents are starting to eliminate all Latin phrases and abbreviations in case people don't understand them, although they are as common as most English phrases.
eg: ie

Surely that petition has to be a joke. If not it says a great deal about the low level of education in this country. Those phrases are Norman French, part of our language for over 600 years :-)

If you watch any quiz shows on TV where the questions are wide ranging general knowledge at times the lack of knowledge is dreadful - older people who had just a normal education often have more idea than young graduates. Just makes you wonder.