Barbaric murder of priest

Gillybob I think that's a good idea - surely the media could find an imam who could say they'll be going straight to hell?t they shouldn't go on tv with a script because (a) that looks fake and (b) that's what some hostages are made to do. There's no point in prime ministers and presidents thumping the table and saying they're going to get tougher. Daishe wants to create fear - maybe they shouldn't even be referred to as "terrorists" but something less powerful - any ideas? And not named.

Spineless Killers and murderers who will not go to heaven.

How can any one do a bad thing like that and realizing that their life is over as well. Did you see the interviews with the killer's family, sadness all around.

There are a lot of judgements of people going on here.

We can judge peoples' behaviour all we like, and say it is wrong and evil etc.

But we are not allowed to judge people. It is Jesus that is going to do that. We can't say who is going to heaven and hell.

If only Charlie Hebdo had not printed that disgusting cartoon , it is accepted as humour and freedom of the press in our culture , perhaps we need to be more critical of our own culture

Or they need to be less 'precious' about their own. I often think of Maslow's Pyramid of Needs when I see episodes like this. The bottom, and largest, two layers are the basic needs of food, water, warmth, rest, safety and security. The next two are feelings of belonging and love needs and feelings of esteem and accomplishment in the societies they belong to. The last, and smallest, is the most difficult to attain. A confidence of self, achieving your full potential and being involved in creativity and able to laugh at yourself and the world arround you. Many of these perpetrators come from societies where their thought processes are heavily controlled. When they get away from that support they are not always given access to the higher levels of the pyramid etc in the society they move to. Just my random thought of the morning.

To be fair Devo no country is more precious of their own culture than the UK , you only have too see the chip shops and beer bars in Spain !

"To be fair" is a misnomer, I don't know how many other countries you have spent any time in AB, whilst I agree that English, Welsh and Scottish enclaves in Spain have imported their, often not very great cuisine to areas where they live, I totally disagaree about other countries not being "precious" about their culture or even just celebrating it. In France the French tricolor flag is very much in evidence, similarly in America the Stars and Stripes are all over the place. In fact I can't think of anywhere I have travelled to in either the northern or southern hemisphere whose culture isn't visible, most countires have a nationalistic pride for God's sake it's not perculiar to the British. I think we should also bear in mind that that most cultures, including newly arrived ones here will import their food, it's human nature to want to hang on to a bit of the old country when you are far from home.
I know my grandfather trawled the few continental shops that were around in the twenties and thirties and beyond until they became more common looking for garlic and olive oil which were strangely exotic then.

TerriBull, I said UK but yes every country , should any country be less precious about their culture

I don't think the British (and in particular the English) are precious enough about their/our culture Anniebach.

I do gillybob

This thread is going the way of all the others lots of questions but no answers. Just make your self understood so it does not matter if it's a "misnomer" or not I understand what was meant.

I think we should all start praying 5 times aday, if nothing else it gives us time to reflect. AMEN

Okay we agree to disagree Anniebach.

Thank you gillybob

I think Imams are afraid to speak out because of fear of reprisals.

We need more young Muslims to stand up and shout 'You ain't no Muslim bro''

Ok. I hold up my hands to the thread going askew. When I said 'they should be less precious about their culture' I was not meaning that they shouldn't be allowed to import their food, national dress, language etc. I meant that, in order to react to a cartoon such as the Charlie Hebdo one AB mentioned, without resorting to blowing people up or gunning them down, you had to reach a certain level in your society where you could brush it off as the work of a clever cartoonist that you could take or leave. Let's face it the UK is allegedly a Christian country. If we reacted in the same way to the name of Jesus being abused as it is very frequently there wouldn't be many of us left. That is why I followed my comment with the Maslow Pyramid theory. In order to react like the host population would you have to have reached, in their society, the top of the pyramid. Many immigrants/migrants aren't there yet and resort to what they know and feel safe with. I'll shut up now.

Culture, as in its perfectly normal to take your 16 yr old daughter, born in Swansea and lock her in a cage in Saudi Arabia.
Culture, as in "You will marry your first cousin and the chances of your children being born disabled are very high"

Culture; the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society

Doesn't mean to say they are not backward though Petra

Where is the girl from Petra, there has been nothing on the Welsh news?

anniebach Her name is Amina Al - Jeffery. She was born in Swansea. This case in in the London high court now. I don't hold out much for her as her father ( a Saudi) is being backed financially by the Saudi government. Terrible case.
In the Daily mail today.

gillybob could you give me some instances where this religion is forward thinking, please.

Thank you Petra, yes it is covered by the Welsh news, she is 21 and has access to the British embassy and her bedroom did have bars at the Windows but not now, no cage

It was the age which made me think there were two girls, sorry

I can't petra because it isn't.

petra - "Forward thinking". Eldest son and family live in Kuwait and I've been there and met several of their Arab friends. They're very "modern" and friendly.
Son teaches in a secondary school with mixed nationals, including Arab/Muslims and they put on the musical Grease last year, which amazed me.
I think they're mostly Shiites there, but son says there are signs that the Sunnis are starting to have more influence.