Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

How about dotting a few heavy-set Momentum people about; that would lend tone to the proceedings.

The funniest quote from The Great Redeemer was that he could take some Tory votes! 5 or 6 or maybe 10!

Well perhaps, the Tories had approx one million more votes than labour last election, so this is the reason Momentum are aiming for one million members . It means some would need to be Tory voters who supported the far left, the Libs not gsinjng votes and UKIP supporters leaving UKIP to joining the far left movement , expect the reason Corbyn says Brexit means Brexit , and there is the problem of labouring losing almost 40 seats come the boundery changes

John Smith who never lived to fight an election.

John Dmith eould hsve been a great PM . I didn't include him in the list because he didn't lose an election

I don't joke about the arms trade, roses.

www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news-comment/2124-why-jeremy-corbyn-is-right-about-nato

You may not joke djen, but arms are sold by this country to all sorts of countries under ANY government Party, and that includes Labour.

That's true and it's why, in my opinion, we need a party that has a commitment to peace and does not depend on arms sales to provide employment and prop up the economy.

I agree, Eloethan.
Blair sold arms, and bombed the countries he sold arms to, creating the impetus for ISIS to form.
I never considered Blair to be labour, however. Naming him the middle east envoy was a joke.

I think I have said all I need to say on this thread , Far too much I'm sure

I want to say the following please. I have been scoffed by corbynites who I can understand have placed their trust in him.

I listened to the debate this week between Corbyn and Owen, I do not believe the majority in the audience were supporters of the Labour Party or have any concern that they are breaking up the party. I base this on the booing when Smith spoke .

Over many years I have attended many selection discussions , I have sat with Tories, Libs, Greens, Plaid and UKIP . I have attended many party conferences over the years. Only once have I heard booing , 1985 Labour Party conference when the Militants , one was Derek Hatton , booed the leader during a speech, This week I witnessed alleged Labour Party supporters booing a labour MP ,it was sickening to hear , Momentum supporters are not Labour Party supporters , they want to destroy the Labour Party as does Corbyn , and form a party which will never win a general election

So I say to corbynites, vote for him, and by doing so vote for another Tory government and hang your heads in shame when you see the homeless, the collapse of the NHS, benefit cuts, grammer schools , more of what we have witnessed for seven years

Thanks Anniebach, great heartfelt and in my view, accurate post
That's you and I off this thread then

I suppose all members must do what they think is best for the future of the party and ultimately, the country.

Well, you have done your fair share of scoffing, ridiculing, name-calling and making allegations during this thread anniebach (cheered on by several people who are certainly not Labour supporters). Most of those supporting Corbyn have tried to talk about policies without being unpleasant and insulting.

Well said, AB. I, too, watched that debate and was appalled by the behaviour. I got the impression that the supporters of JC didn't even listen to the arguments put forward by OS and would, as one tweet put it, have clapped JC if he had said 'pass the salt please'.
This thread is nearly at the 1000 posts so will die soon anyway. I shall await the next chapter after the leadership announcement.
BTW anyone know who Momentum are having as their security for the conference as Labour seems to be having such a problem with prisons and unions?

We are not in the situation we are in because of Corbyn.
He was a backbench MP until elected by the majority, including you, Annie.
Corbyn did not cause labour to lose the last two elections, although you wouldn't think so by comments on this thread.
I bet you can't resist joining the thread again, Annie.

The Victoria Derbyshire debate audience was chosen specifically to reflect three groups of labour voters.
After the debate, most of the undecided went with Corbyn.
You can believe the audience was fixed if you want, or you can trust Victoria Derbyshire. It matters neither way.

You say that voting for Corbyn will bring in more benefit cuts. Smith went along with the majority of labour MPs and abstained from the vote on the welfare bill, thus allowing the government to get its way and introduce the benefit cap. This will cause lots more homelessness next winter.
Corbyn defied the whip and voted against it, along with another 40 MPs. Are you saying that makes Corbyn wrong, to defy the whip on this?

By the way, not all Corbyn supporters will have a vote in the leadership. Not all Corbyn supporters are members of Momentum.
Not all Smith supporters will, either, because of the decision of the NEC and the cost of going to court to get it changed.

Hopefully after the election, all labour supporters will be able to get behind their leader. That's the most sensible thing to do.

Thank you Iam and Devo.

The leadership will be won by Corbyn and Momentum . i do hope the Labour Party conference will be cancelled , Momentum can have the four days to themselves . There will be the Tory, and Lib conferences to listen to , don't think I can stomach UKIP, bet Neil Hamilton will get on stage . Will ignore Momentum, never have liked Wind Beneath My Wings, too syrupy , yuck

medium.com/mosquito-ridge/the-sound-of-blairite-silence-aed2ef726c8a

An interesting article by Paul Mason, for anyone who wants to read it. I might even print off a copy of it, to see which bits come true after the election.

Is there anyone who thinks Smith will win? I doubt it.

Even Smith doesn't think he will win ( IMHO)

I'm not in a cult. And I'm a bit old to join a fan club. Tell you what though, if I'd even used the word 'Blairite' publicly that would be regarded as a term of abuse, I could be banned from the party & prevented from voting. I'd say Judas & traitor are also terms of abuse, but it depends who you're hurling it at doesn't it? And Foster can call supporters Nazi stormtroopers & get away scot free whilst Livingstone was suspended 5 hours after making his remarks. Double standards much?

I think those behind the "coup" thought Corbyn would step aside...

But they didn't have anyone to take over, did they,Jess?
Nobody the membership would trust, that is.

Nobody who wanted to stand against Corbyn, after his huge victory last year. Pity they did not think it through and we could have been spared a 3 month leadership campaign and all the attendant stress.

"I think those behind the "coup" thought Corbyn would step aside..." Yes they really did. He didn't and he has so much ground support that they don't know what to do to save their careers. Maybe cross the house to the Tories?