Beginning to distrust Jeremy Corbyn

Pollengran, they won't cross the floor. They are not Tories despite what JC's supporters would have us believe. They will do what he did all his political career and form a party within a party. The Tories do it very successfully with their break away groups over Brexit etc.
I did Constitutional History as part of my degree and I have to say I am mesmerised by the constitutional implications. The next session of Parliament should be very interesting.

Labour rebels 'plan new group in Parliament' if Jeremy Corbyn wins leadership race report

There have also been reports, in the Times today apparently, about this 'double hatting' using the Co-op party to form a separate group on the opposition benches. From the TV reports I understand that the speaker - John Bercow - has ruled that they would have to be under a party recognised by the Electoral Commission and the Cooperative Party, a sister party of the Labour Party, fits the bill.

Why should either 'side' feel they are not allowed to call themselves members/Members of Parliament representing the Labour Party?

The Labour MP's sitting in Parliament were elected by the British voter at the General Election and have a right to claim they represent the Labour Party.

The new Lord Mayor of London Saddiq Khan has now openly backed Smith , although anybody who who has a smattering of political interest would have concluded his thought was always not particularly for Corbyn.

No doubt he too will receive a verbal onslaught from the Corbyn 'team' from whatever source as so far it has been noticeable that those MP's that have been at one time or another 'lauded' are now seen as some kind of the devils spawn/plotters/traitors/has beens.

How some once very highly regarded MP's have fallen fowl so quickly , even by GN Posters it would appear, since Corbyn won the Leadership election says it all. They saw and understood what was happening from the inception of Momentum, which is entirely constructed 'for' Corbyn 'not' for the Labour Party and clearly says so on the tin that is what it represents.

The voices were loud and clear from the start by the Westminster MP's who were talking of threats of 'deselection' , not recently but months ago but nobody wanted to listen to them did they. I know if I look hard enough I was told on another thread I was making it up and yet now it appears this is acceptable by some and oddly enough by the same people who once thought the very same MP's walked on water. Should Saddiq Khan now be deselected?, after all that is the view some hold of the other MP's who have not backed Corbyn. Maybe another London Mayor election on the horizon too?

Having noted past posts please don't insult my intelligence by saying I am right wing, a Tory and have no right to comment on a Labour thread. Do not insult my intelligence and call me a cheer Leader for Anniebach either. I really do find those comments derogatory and disingenuous. If you are of the mind set that only Labour supporters should talk about Labour then 'do as you say' not 'do as you do' and don't engage in anything to do with 'any' other party or you could be seen as being very hypocritical.

www.itv.com/news/2016-08-20/sadiq-khan-backs-owen-smith-saying-labour-is-doing-badly-under-corbyn/

Why should either 'side' feel they are not allowed to call themselves members/Members of Parliament representing the Labour Party?

I wonder what makes you ask this question POGS As far as I can see if an MP is in Parliament as a member of the LP then he is there as a member of the LP unless he chooses not to be and move to another party or, as it appears those who don't what Jeremy Corbyn are considering, a member of two recognised parties ...

Saddiq Khan doesn't have to be deselected. When he stands for mayor in four years time, Corbyn supporters will not vote for him, that's all. His own fault.
If Corbyn hadn't supported Khan, he would not be mayor now. Tessa Jowell would have been the candidate, and Zac Goldsmith would probably have been mayor.

Gracesgran, quite a lot of Labour MPs represent the Labour Coop party. It is actually a group within the labour party as it is. I cannot see how they can separate themselves from the labour constitution without an election.

An interesting article in the Telegraph today, about Labour MPs asking a Tory MP to press ahead with a request for a general election so that the labour party can be destroyed, to get rid of Corbyn.
Real labour MPs, they are.

I've just been reading about the cooperative party, Gracesgran.

Labour party rules are that nobody is allowed to be a member of another party, which is how they are getting rid of about 3000 voters in the leadership election. But membership of the cooperative party does not bar anyone.

Sorry, Gracesgran, I've just read your politicshome article. It's all in there, isn't it?

youtu.be/29Mg6Gfh9Co

More suitable than that awful Wind beneath my Wings song - if I have the correct link

I said you'd be back - can't stay away.

Hooked on the daily fantasy claims Jen , I enjoy a laugh

If the link to that song causes upset I apologise but to read Corbyn supporters will not vote for Khan if he stands again for London Mayor is frightening, no matter how good a mayor he may be he is of no importance , he will not get support from the Corbyn fan club.

I support Corbyn's policies, along with many of my friends. I am not part of Momentum, nor do I know anyone who is.
Have you seen this re policies?
m.youtube.com/watch?v=W7lsRbDKOXg

Yes, I've seen it before, ygg. Very clever. I doubt it will change any of their voting habits, though.

I have heard his policies but no longer see the point in discussing policies after reading the post which claims no matter a good a person is in the position they were elected to thry will not receive votes from Corbyn supporters in the future , this supports dictatorship.

Durhamjen 12.10

"Saddiq Khan doesn't have to be deselected. When he stands for mayor in four years time, Corbyn supporters will not vote for him, that's all. His own fault."

Well Durhamjen I suppose your thought process in answering my question re Sadiq Khan not backing Corbyn and the calls for deselection of Labour MP's who have put there names to a 'vote of no confidence' totally sums up what some are fearing and being castigated for saying so from the new/rejoined/Corbyn supporters(whether they are Labour Party members or not).

'If you don't agree with us we will have you out'.

That is a thought process no different to the Parliamentary Labour Party and the Labour MEP's stance by voting 'no confidence' in Corbyn as Leader I guess but I haven't heard veiled threats coming from them in the same way as Corbyn supporters who from the start have called for 'deselection'.

The people who really sang that sort of song Annie we're mainly good people who believed fervently in their country, the people of that country and that they knew exactly who was telling them how to do the right thing to make their country great. Those feelings never just belong to one group; they will be felt just a s much by some of those who agree with you as by some who don't. No group of thinkers can claim virtue all to themselves or they become the singers of that song.

Well said POGS, and like you I am no cheerleader. It was an example of the hypocrisy which is rife among corbynites and Corbyn himself which caused me to withdraw my support for Corbyn. It has reached a point where it disgusts me .

POGS, everybody in London has one vote for mayor, same as they have one vote for an MP.
In 2020, when there is a general election, every MP will have to say to their constituents that they support the labour party's aims and constitution.
If they do not, they will not be chosen to represent that constituency. That seems fair to me.
No MP has a job for life, whatever they may think.
Did you read Grace's link about labour rebels?
Do you think it's right that they should be thinking of that?
Do you think it's right that they should be supporting a tory calling for a general election just to try and get rid of their democraticaqlly elected leader?

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/78297/labour-rebels-%E2%80%98plan-new-group-parliament%E2%80%99-if

These threats aren't veiled. They are real.

I am taken with Siddeq Khan. He looks a future Party Leader but what that Party will be, who knows?

If Corbyn voted against the labour Party 500 times, he didnt support the Labour Party's aims and constitution I can only presume.

Why didnt he get deselected? I was going to put a after that, but it isnt funny really.

I know ageism is not popular, especially here, but Corbyn to just too old to be an effective Party leader, notwithstanding all the other negative stuff about him.

He did not vote against the labour party's aims and constitution. He voted against the whip in parliament over 30 years.
He probably had the whip taken away from him lots of times, too.
If you look at www.theyworkforyou.org you can see why he voted against the whip so many times.
Usually it was voting with his conscience, as in against anything to do with nuclear arms, or any arms, come to that.
He voted with his conscience about benefit changes, the spare room subsidy, anything that reduced the amount of council housing, etc.
Far too many people just say, oh he's a rebel, without looking at why.