Jonathan Lansman

Oh for goodness sake!

Have you found out anything else about Jon Lansman?

No.

Have you?

Well it would be refreshing to have some actual comments or opinions on Lansman. So far it seems Petra Daphnedill and myself have actually added anything in addition to a link from obieone.

No, apart from the two links I posted.

Night Daphne sweet dreams.

It seems no one knows much about him apart from what is on the internet. Or if they do, they do not want to post about him at all on an open forum.

Very odd.
Everyone else in the Labour Party seems to be known except for him.

well, I had never noticed that folks!
www.gransnet.com/info/in-the-news

I know, Jalima! I daren't click on any of the links. Doing that would lead to a whole new world of time-wasting, and heaven knows I'm already heavily invested in putting off all the things I should be doing.

Apart from the odd digression re and a "warning off" I think that is possibly unfair, we are trying very hard to keep it on topic and awaiting opinions and comments from other members on JL and Momentum. But as obieone has said
it seems no one knows much about him apart from what is on the Internet. Or if they do they do not want to post about him at all on an open forum

Perhaps that was me posting the link which I hadn't realised was there until obieone pointed it out
Careful - anything we say may be used in evidence against us

Here's a picture of Jon Lansman:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3483375/Left-wing-Momentum-campaign-group-vows-leadership-challenge-Corbyn-election-rout-Labour.html
Scary, eh!

'Left Futures' of which he is the founder member, welcomes all on the Left as readers and contributors, so presumably those who are interested but not on the left are not welcome and will be sent to the scaffold if found reading it

Interesting Jalima, so not for all

I'm confused at Laura's rebuke that derailing the thread isn't very helpful to the OP.

Why do posters need to be helpful - the OP didn't ask for help or advice. It's a political thread.

To use one of your own quotes from a previous life on GN,obieone "Actually, if we all stopped talking on here, the thread will end"

Wow! Impressive memory Petra

To say "sounds like he [Lansman] is deliberately secretive. I wonder if people are frightened of him" is obviously just stirring it. That comment was then followed up with one saying it was strange that nobody knows anything about Lansman - further insinuating that there is something sinister about him. Maybe there is - I don't know - but to make suggestions of that nature makes me wonder whether this is just a roundabout way of trying to discredit the organisation.

Nobody even knew who the founder and funder of the anti-Corbyn group Saving Labour was because his identity was kept under wraps. It was only when investigations were made at Companies House that he was discovered to be a formerly left wing Labour MP, now managing director of a "healthcare management consultancy" (although he says he's retired now). Perhaps that is something which needs to be talked about too.

You may have a point.
More prosaically, I believe I suggested people just weren't very interested.
Yes a story can be manufactured out of nothing , look at those silly questions in the tabloids
"Did Philip /MI5 order Diana's killing?" ?"
"Is Harry gay"
Or alternatively
"Is Harry enjoying Kate's company too much?"
The answer is invariably a resounding NO but there will always be someone, somewhere who sees an establishment cover-up or a conspiracy .
At what point does insinuation cross the line?

Start a thread on it Eleothan, to have two,opposing groups discussed on one thread could be confusing

To say "sounds like he [Lansman] is deliberately secretive. I wonder if people are frightened of him" is obviously just stirring it

Not to me it definitely isnt.
It is my opinion, and I cannot see for the life of me, why anyone cant say that and think that, let alone write it.

That comment was then followed up with one saying it was strange that nobody knows anything about Lansman - further insinuating that there is something sinister about him

Ditto above
It isnt against rules on here, or the law, or anything else is it?

Maybe there is - I don't know - but to make suggestions of that nature makes me wonder whether this is just a roundabout way of trying to discredit the organisation.

I cant try and discredit something or someone I know nothing about apart from what is on the internet, I wouldnt have thought.

And are you saying that nothing and noone on gransnet can be discredited? That puts all of politics out of bounds just for starters. On gransnet and life.

So no one can say they dont like the service of any shops for example? Or the NHS?

I still say [and the later part of your post rather confirms it, not to mention internet links] that he acts very secretively.

I would also like to add, as I mentioned in a post near the beginning, that if there are people or groups acting secretively, as there is in my life at the moment,they require scrutiny.
Often, more and more is uncovered.

Oh heck. In no way do I mean anyone or anything to do with gransnet at all.
I apologise that I didnt make that at all clear.

It is a lot more complicated and big than that.

I think it is entirely appropriate to discuss Saving Labour on this thread because, as you say, Saving Labour (and Progress) are Labour groups opposing Corbyn, whereas Momentum is supporting him.

If insinuations are going to be made about Momentum, its founder and supporters, it seems to me to be quite fair that the secrecy, or otherwise, and conduct of other groups be examined also.

I'm sure Gransnetters are able to understand that, without becoming confused.

If my comment on this point is considered to be "derailing" the thread then I will be able to find many examples where similar "derailments" have occurred without any intervention being thought necessary.

Obieone, I am not comfortable with people involved with the election of a party leader being secretive,