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thatbags Tue 23-Aug-16 20:31:01

The silliest thing about the Corbyn "Traingate" fiasco is that before the railways were privatised, I often had to sit on the floor toing and froing between Preston and Edinburgh. Sometimes there was no buffet car. And the toilets were often disgusting.

I guess Corbyn didn't travel by train much back then hmm

However, the trains I travelled on usually had more space for luggage than current Virgin trains.

thatbags Thu 25-Aug-16 09:22:16

Matt Chorley (Times cartoonist and editor of Red Box):

Revelation of the day goes to The Guardian, which says that at the height of Traingate on Tuesday, Corbyn was "impossible to reach for some time because he was making jam".

So there's another thing I'm willing to presume that Corbyn can do right. No-one and nothing interrupts one's jam-making process.

Well... actually... going into labour does, I have to admit. Minibags was clearly Miss Very Important from the word go grin

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 09:41:55

I disagree with the statement - Labour Party infighting, no, it is the Labour Party fighting to survive the dangers of militancy

Pollengran Thu 25-Aug-16 09:44:39

Well I have been following this whole mess and now I believe it was a stunt. Sitting beside his wife is a poor excuse and it has done him no favours.

I still believe he has more integrity than Owen Smith, and if I have to pick between two plonkers, then I will still choose him.

There is something very depressing about it all. The misguided PR, the schoolchildren tactics etc, but there has to be an opposition, so I am sticking with Corbyn, as Owen Smith is just more of the same.

POGS Thu 25-Aug-16 09:56:32

I don't follow the argument Jeremy Corbyn has more 'integrity' than Owen Smith.

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 09:57:11

If the forecast thst Labour may lose over hundred seats at the next election the oposition party could be the SNP . Momentum are working towards one million members so that's one million votes - perhaps. How many millions will not vote labour next time because they do not want old Labour of the days of the depression, they don't want unions running the country again because they remember the winter of discontent . Corbynites can get excited by large rallies , increase in membership and forget without the votes of middle England there will not be a Labour government

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 09:58:30

Corbyn doesn't have integrity POGS

Pollengran Thu 25-Aug-16 10:03:42

It is a watered down version of integrity. However I believe we have to support Labour somehow, because as Anniebach says the SNP could be the opposition and that doesn't bear thinking about.

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 10:16:15

I wouldn't mind the SNP being the official oposition, we would be spared the Labour Party looking so weak every PMQ , Salmond could stand his ground against May

Anya Thu 25-Aug-16 10:16:41

There's no way Owen Smith will oust Jeremy, he's too light weight. Sadly this is the scenario that will work its way through.

Corbyn will be re-elected which will give the far left (take that phrase as you will) will see it as a mandate to continue and strengthen their stranglehold on the party to the extent it becomes unelectable.

Theresa May, if she's half the politician I think she is, will wait until the disarray is at its peak and call a snap general election and be returned with an increased majority. Either that or we'll struggle on until 2020 with the same result.

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 10:22:27

True Anya, I have been saying this daily , yes I know bloody boring , but I will continue to fight for my party and against militancy .

I wish Corbyn would catch a sodding train to Siberia

ffinnochio Thu 25-Aug-16 10:33:55

Thanks for that Siberian comment, Ab - first real laugh of the day. grin

Anya Thu 25-Aug-16 10:37:58

How about one of those trains in India AB which are dangerously overcrowded, then he'd have to join passengers in the roof hmm

Anya Thu 25-Aug-16 10:38:16

On the roof...

Jalima Thu 25-Aug-16 10:59:40

I am not sure that you are right when you say that young members of Momentum will grow up etc anniebach
Corbyn clearly has not.
He seems unable to see the wider picture in anything and has a very narrow outlook on national and world affairs.
Rather worrying in HM Leader of the Opposition.

nightowl Thu 25-Aug-16 11:13:41

You are so wrong about the membership of momentum. They are of all ages, from all backgrounds, and a variety of opinions. It may suit some of us to think they are all young idealists, trots or whatever, but I'm afraid it's just not true.

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 11:38:44

What ever their ages they have no knowledge of politics , how anyone can still think he is a winner is baffling.

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 11:45:06

Not India Anya, although the roof of a train is a pleasing thought. Think of those beautiful girls. Anyway do they have communism in India?

Anya Thu 25-Aug-16 12:01:41

No AB it's a very unequal society.

Anya Thu 25-Aug-16 12:03:41

AB I do understand his attraction, especially in the current political climate. I see Farage attended a Trump rally and was invited to speak.

petra Thu 25-Aug-16 12:11:12

The messiah. Am I the only one getting images of The Life of Brian in my head, particularly the scene where Brian is running through the streets and looses his sandal. Someone picks it up and proclaims " it's a sign, follow the sandal"
There's another about following the gourd, but I can't remember the detail of that.

Ana Thu 25-Aug-16 12:13:47

'He's not the Messiah - he's a very naughty boy!'

petra Thu 25-Aug-16 12:17:49

You beat me to it Ana I need my daughter here, between them my OH and her can practically recite the whole film.

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 12:20:22

Anya, I can understand it in the young and I do understand the despair many experience what is so frustrating is the fact if they place their hope and trust in him then all that awaits them is more despair. Milliband moved a fraction to the left. Foot went far left. Blair and Brown went centre and won. I am to the left but support the party going to the centre if it means a labour government . I don't care about privatising railways and buses , I care about those living in poverty , the homeless , the people who have to use food banks , what use is Corbyn saying his ambitions could take ten years , people don't know how to get through next week, all this jam in ten years time promise is just fooling people

Anniebach Thu 25-Aug-16 12:21:50

The leader of the bakers Union has been suspended

obieone Thu 25-Aug-16 12:24:18

nightowl, but when there are pictures of groups of them, they are predominently young. And when journalists interview them, they are predominently young, but that might be because journalists make a bee line for the younger ones.