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thatbags Tue 23-Aug-16 20:31:01

The silliest thing about the Corbyn "Traingate" fiasco is that before the railways were privatised, I often had to sit on the floor toing and froing between Preston and Edinburgh. Sometimes there was no buffet car. And the toilets were often disgusting.

I guess Corbyn didn't travel by train much back then hmm

However, the trains I travelled on usually had more space for luggage than current Virgin trains.

durhamjen Sun 28-Aug-16 17:29:11

' After the referendum: uniting our communities

Conference notes, that according to Stop Hate UK’s 16 August report, the number of hate crimes reported to them in the month after the Euro-referendum was up 72% on the same period last year. Specifically racist incidents increased 150%; the number of Eastern Europeans calling, 900%.

The National Police Chiefs’ Council says racist incidents are up 57%.

51% of abuse, according to another report from hate crimes organisations in July, was directly referendum-related. 12% was anti-Muslim. 14% targeted children.

The EY ITEM Club forecasting group predicts business lending will shrink 1% this year, 1.8% in 2017, 1% in 2018. It has slashed predictions for UK growth: 2.6% to 1.9% (2016), 2.3% to 0.4% (2017). In July consumer confidence took its sharpest drop since the 1990 crash.

We blame a government trashing already-struggling communities while promoting foul anti-migrant policies and rhetoric.

Labour must campaign to, minimally, limit the damage of Brexit by defending free movement and workers’ rights; fighting racism and uniting communities to win increased resources.

We must tackle the social distress feeding nationalism by leading a fight for decent jobs, homes and services for everyone, campaigning to tax the rich and business and:
– Restore the migrant impact fund
– Reverse cuts and privatisations in local government and other services since 2010, create secure, decently-paid public-sector jobs and training
– Build hundreds of thousands of council homes a year, regulate rents, strengthen tenants’ rights
– Raise the Minimum Wage to 2/3 median male earnings without exemptions, strengthen workers’ rights.'

Anything wrong with this going to conference?

obieone Sun 28-Aug-16 17:31:17

How will any of it get into practice dj?

Ana Sun 28-Aug-16 17:35:47

Yes, where's all the money coming from?

Eloethan Sun 28-Aug-16 17:38:24

Where did all the money come from to bail out the bankers?

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 17:39:06

Nothing wrong with that going to conference , Labour party policies. What is wrong is Corbyn going to conference as leader and his momentum groupies holding their in the same city in the same week. Expect the lsbour MP's are in for mocking and booing from Corbyn groupies

durhamjen Sun 28-Aug-16 17:44:34

It's called QE and Osborne used it all the time. But PQE gets the people working, puts money back into the economy, not into offshore bank accounts for people who are already rich enough.

durhamjen Sun 28-Aug-16 18:07:05

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/28/virgin-broke-rules-releasing-corbyn-cctv-document

'But Virgin sought to diffuse the row. A spokesperson did not address the documents obtained by the Guardian, but instead repeated a statement thanking Corbyn for highlighting how helpful Virgin staff had been during his video.

“He’s also right to point out the need to introduce more trains on our route – that’s why we’re introducing a brand new fleet of 65 Azuma trains from 2018, which will increase seating capacity out of King’s Cross by 28% at peak times,” they said.

They admitted it could be hard to find a seat, particularly during sporting events or at certain times.'

Virgin trying to get themselves out of a sticky situation, after discovering they broke their own CCTV rules.
Corbyn didn't lie. He was very helpful.

Ana Sun 28-Aug-16 18:12:43

Virgin have not saying that Corbyn wasn't lying though, have they? They aren't confirming that he had to sit on the floor because there were no available seats.

Ana Sun 28-Aug-16 18:13:03

'are not saying'

f77ms Sun 28-Aug-16 18:14:46

If they do get mocked and boo`d they damn well deserve it, the damage these people have caused to the LP !!

Maybe the money could come from not renewing WMD`s for a start .

I admire your tenacity Durhamgem but I think you are, sadly, flogging a dead horse ! There are none so blind and all that .....

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 18:35:04

Damage they have caused? Not enough in my opinion comparing the damage his friends did to the party and he fought to get them back in to do even more.

obieone Sun 28-Aug-16 19:40:09

When I said how will any of it get into practice, I actually meant, if Labour do not get into power, most of what dj wrote will never see the light of day. So remains just words?

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 28-Aug-16 19:46:16

Well, I still think he didn't exactly lie. I think he needed to be with his team to discuss stuff, and they couldn't find seats together. So they sat on the floor. Then I think the train manager moved people to 1st class so that they could sit together. Not a good idea to deliberately put it out as spin though. But that wouldn't have been him doing that.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 28-Aug-16 19:47:20

ab you are a fickle lady. Not long ago, you loved him.

janeainsworth Sun 28-Aug-16 19:56:11

Changing your opinion of someone in the light of new information about them isn't being fickle, jingl

Being fickle is changing your allegiance from A to B because B is offering greater reward in some way.
I suppose you could argue that JC is no longer offering the reward of a Labour government, but most people might think he never did anyway.

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 19:57:41

Jingle, is admitting one has been mistaken in thinking a person honest then finding it isn't so, fickle ? I disagree .

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 19:59:52

How does one not exactly lie? Rather like being a little bit pregnant? And he said he wanted two seats together, nothing about his team , he lied

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 28-Aug-16 20:08:16

[shrug]

grin

Jalima Sun 28-Aug-16 20:28:42

Labour, under my leadership, will build a million new homes in five years

I read something like that too trisher.

Brandon Lewis, Housing Minister, has pledged to build 1 million new homes by 2020.
Oh, sorry, I am getting mixed up, he is a Tory and in Government!

Anyone in opposition can promise whatever they like. The thing is - can they deliver when in Government? We wait to see if the Tories will deliver, but will probably never get to see if Corbyn will deliver the 1 million new homes.
Promises, promises

Jalima Sun 28-Aug-16 20:39:41

Where did all the money come from to bail out the bankers?^
Perhaps from all our gold reserves that Brown sold at an artificially low price?

Faced with the prospect of a global collapse in the banking system, the Chancellor took the decision to bail out the banks by dumping Britain’s gold, forcing the price down and allowing the banks to buy back gold at a profit, thus meeting their borrowing obligations.

I spoke with Peter Hambro, chairman of Petroplavosk and a leading figure in the London gold market, late last year and asked him about the rumours above.

“I think that Mr Brown found himself in a terrible position,” he said.

“He was facing a problem that was a world scale problem where a number of financial institutions had become voluntarily short of gold to the extent that it was threatening the stability of the financial system and it was obvious that something had to be done.”

Thomas Pascoe, July 10th 2012

Jalima Sun 28-Aug-16 20:47:09

I think he needed to be with his team to discuss stuff, and they couldn't find seats together. So they sat on the floor.
I think jingls that he was the only one sitting on the floor sad.
I also think that a group of people who wish to discuss stuff - Labour Party Policy? How to oust the Tories? How to de-select unco-operative MPs? who knows - should book seats in advance so that they can sit together.
Any sensible person would do that, and surely they would not be discussing important and possibly secret matters on a train with Joe Public within earshot?

Jalima Sun 28-Aug-16 20:51:05

ab you are a fickle lady. Not long ago, you loved him.
Acts 9:18

The scales have fallen from her eyes

trisher Sun 28-Aug-16 20:58:19

^Brandon Lewis, Housing Minister, has pledged to build 1 million new homes by 2020.
Oh, sorry, I am getting mixed up, he is a Tory and in Government!^
Jalima I very much doubt if these will be affordable or social housing and certainly there is no policy to protect tenants and regulate rents.

rosesarered Sun 28-Aug-16 21:59:16

Well,they have made a good start in my village, it has now doubled in size ( should be rebranded as a town) and now come more plans for houses on about 40 acres!

Anniebach Sun 28-Aug-16 23:19:52

So renationalise railways approx ten billion pound, build a million new homes in five years, bring back municipal buses, save the NHS, seems he agrees with many, he will not win the election