Traingate

Another momentum load of rubbish

So the party made him sit on the floor of the train and lie. The party made him take a holiday during the Brexit campaign, the party stopped him appearing on to debates with Cameron, naughty party treating a honest, principled saint like that

That's got nothing to do with the article. I knew you wouldn't read but just continue your unjust rant against anyone and anything you disagree with.

It's about Labour First, which is the opposite to Momentum.
Are you feeling okay, Annie?

It has everything to do with the truth Jen .

So you are ignoring an article about what should happen at the Labour Conference, and how the Smith supporters are saying they have fixed it.
That's the truth.

I don't understand how there can be any objection to Corbyn's housing policy. There is no doubt that we have a housing crisis. The Conservatives will do nothing. This seems to be a solution
Labour, under my leadership, will build a million new homes in five years, with at least half a million council homes, through our public investment strategy.

We will end insecurity for private renters by introducing rent controls, secure tenancies and a charter of private tenants’ rights, and increase access to affordable home ownership.

We will rebuild and transform Britain so that no one and no community is left behind.
Anyone with family renting must support this surely?

I did read it Jen. I am tired of all these bloggers and their blogs. I hoped the conference would be cancelled . I have voted for Smith but it was a vote against Corbyn.

You and I have different opinions on Corbyn, you think him to be honest and principled, I think him dishonest and unprincipled

You can keep denying he is not a militant but he is.

You would rather he be leader and the party ripped apart with the SNP as the official oposition party. I want Corbyn out, I do not want the militants dragging the party into the wilderness ,doesn't bother you, bothers me very much.

You were would rather him as leader and the Tories in power for years.

Nothing I have said about Corbyn has been from cults, blogs or any other far left, centre or right bloggers. I base my opinions on facts.

He let the party down during the Brexit campaign . He lied about the train, he has Galloway, Taffe and Hatton speaking out with their support .

He led a campaign to bring back Militants such as those three into the party , no problem with the harm the militant wing did to the party.

I have always said that for me it's the party and the principles it was born from that matter to me and what I have worked for for so many years , not for the likes of Corbyn to attempt to bring his communist beliefs back into the party. I am not stuck in the past as he is, I accept the party has to move to the centre to win an election. You seem to believe Momentum is above reproach, I do not.

Trisher a housing policy is useless unless the party supporting it is in power . Corbyn can prattle on about housing, trains and buses , sod all he can do because voters are not all supporters of the far left, in fact many fear the far left and I am speaking of voters not Labour Party voters .

Wow, Annie. Your post at 14.52.Respect.

Annie I don't propose to debate with you. I am a middle class floating voter so maybe I am more in touch with those voters

Respect for a personal attack on me? Thanks, Jane.

Jen,i did not attack you, I have taken quite a few attacks from you, accusing me of using foul language , calling me a liar . I don't believe you are a liar , I do think you are swept up in the Corbyn fairy tale , you see a man who you believe will save the party, I disagree, I see a man who doesn't give a toss for the party

Wow Trisher, you are more in touch with middle class voters than me? Must take my whippet for a walk and call in the workman club for a quick beer

Thank you Janeainsworth

Respect from me too, ab. Your tirade, if that's what it was, was a tirade against Momentum and useless politicians wrecking the Labour Party, not against any gransnetter.

McDonald -spokesman for Corbyn - want's Branson stripped of his title because he now lives abroad and does not Scot in the best interests of this country. He thinks gongs are given to easily - like Shami perhaps - how many people work for Bransons companies in this country?

jen I didn't read Annie's post as a personal attack on you.
I read it as a sincere statement of her own beliefs.

Thsnk you thatbags, not a tirade , just trying to explain why I am against Corbyn and for the Labour Party and certainly not an attack on anyone here .

I typed a post but lost it. The gist of it was, that it was not a personal attack at all, it was a very clear statement of ab's view, in a similar way that dj's posts are statements of her view. Disagree with the opinion if you like (and I am sure you will) but you are wrong to see it as personal.

Jen saw it as personal Elegran

Well she shouldn't because it wasn't. ab was just saying why she strongly disagrees with dj's point of view on Corbyn and the Labour Party. You can't whimper about personal attacks every time someone disagrees with you forcefully.

Well, you can, but to do so is daft.

That's a general 'you', btw, not a personal one.

And sorry but ab will continue to speak out against Corbyn and momentum

' NHS: stop privatisation, save the health service

Conference notes

The rising tide of cuts and privatisation engulfing the NHS.

That, following junior doctors’ vote rejecting Jeremy Hunt’s unsafe, unfair contract, the BMA’s Junior Doctors’ executive voted (11 August) for escalating strikes from early September; subsequently, the ‘risk register’ on Hunt’s so-called “seven-day NHS” plan was leaked.

The sudden closure of Grantham’s A&E (10 August) due to staff shortages; similar situations nationwide.

St Helen’s CCG’s proposal (9 August) to suspend all non-urgent care for four months! Although the decision was reversed, the Royal College of Surgeons predicts such problems becoming “commonplace” without increased funding and ending resource-draining, market-driven bureaucratisation.

Conference commits Labour to

Wholeheartedly supporting junior doctors’ and health workers’ fight to defend themselves and the NHS.
Exposing and fighting rolling privatisation and cuts, including the “Sustainability and Transformation Plans”.
Rolling renationalisation of clinical, ancillary and back-office services; creating a universal, comprehensive, publicly-owned, -run and -accountable, and free (including prescriptions, dentistry, optical care) NHS.
Nationalising social care along the same lines: a free, public system.
Fully publicly funding both, including by reversing expensive and wasteful privatisation and marketisation; increasing taxes on the rich and corporations; borrowing to invest where necessary.
Ending PFI; liberating the NHS from debt.
Reversing attacks on migrants’ rights to healthcare.
Opposing any “trade deal” aiding privatisation of public services or assets.
Improving workers’ pay, rights, training and say; restoring bursaries; safe staffing levels.
Tackling causes of ill health by reversing “austerity”.
Legislation furthering these goals.
Campaigning with unions, health campaigns, the “NHS Bill” initiative.'

Anything wrong with this going to Conference?

' Hands off our schools – for comprehensive education

Conference notes

That on 6 August the Telegraph revealed Tory plans to deepen educational elitism by allowing more grammar schools.

That on 16 August the Guardian revealed that Collective Spirit Multi-Academy Trust, which in January only had 284 pupils, paid £700,000 over two years to a firm owned by its CEO. In June Ofsted judged one of the Trust’s two schools inadequate. This comes after a string of similar scandals connected to free schools and academies.

That the Guardian says Attwood Academies, run by financier Tom Attwood, failed to publish accounts for the year, in violation of DfE requirements. As chair of DfE’s Academies and Free Schools Board, Attwood is responsible for supervising academies across England!

That following public outcry and campaigning, the Tories have dropped blanket legally-enforced academisation of every school – but remain committed to forcing all schools to become academies.

Conference believes

That academisation means privatisation, public resources being handed to private sponsors; attacks on workers’ terms and conditions; and no improvement in children’s education.

That grammar schools encourage inequality and stunting of children’s potential.

We resolve

1. To work with education unions and campaigners, supporting teachers’ industrial action in the autumn.
2. That the next Labour government should stop and reverse the spread of academies, free schools and grammar schools, and ensure a democratic school system, with every state school a comprehensive community school under Local Education Authority control – well-funded including by increasing tax on the rich and corporations.
3. To call on Labour councils not to promote academisation.'

Anything wrong with this going to conference?