Traingate

Quite funny trisher - or Yorkshire caviar as I am told it is called up North.

.trisher, rather silly, no one has a chance of winning against Momentum . This is a different way of electing a leader, first time in over hundred years , untill this coup by the militants candidates spoke for themselves, went on the hustings , now we have a momentum puppet ,

November night, devorgilla. Do you know something we don't?

I have a problem with Labour people being in the House of Lords, because there shouldn't be a house of lords.
A second elected chamber instead, but you'd have a problem with that, Annie, because the people will elect, and they will not be Mandelsons.

So Smith is the sacrificial lamb and the rest have given up, not exactly inspiring is it?
Mandelson was a member of the Young Communists many moons ago, Isn't Wiki wonderful

Jen, we are not discussing abolishing the lords are we? You do take the topic away

I didn't say Smith was a sacrificial lamb trisher, it may be as you choose to view him no doubt, he is working fir the good if the lsbour party , oh that the leader did the same

You were asking where Mandelson was when you needed him. I was just telling you where he was.
Actually, at the moment, I think he is telling Theresa May that she ought to be wanting to please the Chinese and build Hinkley Point, just across the Severn Estuary from Cardiff.

Not true Jen, you launched into a tirade sbout the House of Lords and how in your opinion I wouldn't want an elected House of Lords .

No tirade, Annie. I calmly pointed out what Mandelson is doing, as you wanted to know.
If I launch into a tirade, it will be longer than two and a half lines.

Jen, what did your assumption of my views on an elected lords have to do with Peter Mandelson? I quote - you would have a problem with that Annie, because the people will elect.

What is the connection with Mandelson in the lords and your wild assumption?

The people will elect if there is a second house, as Gordon Brown wants. They will not elect people like Mandelson, because they are no longer relaxed about people being filthy rich.

That's all, just my opinion, no tirade.

You asked where Mandelson was when you needed him. He is in the House of Lords. That's the connection between Mandelson and the House of Lords.

You are sounding less and less socialist these days.

That's no answer Jen, what did your assumption on my views on an elected lords have to do with me saying where is Mandelson when we need him?

i have not changed my political views ,

Give up, Annie.
You want Mandelson to save you. I don't. He didn't exactly save the Labour party the last time. He and Blair between them lost half the membership. If you're happy with that, that's your problem, not mine.
You asked where he was. I told you where he was.

And you said I did not want an elected lords, why say that and why dodge answering Jen? No,i will not give up, you went too far with your attack and it was uncalled for , may I have an apology then it can be forgotten?

Just a look in to say, you are not alone DJ. Like many of the electorate, I have given up on a thread like this, but I know where my X is going..

Thanks, Pollengran.

I will await your response to my request Jen

You are welcome DJ. I admire your tenacity x.

Something I use to admire but wild assumptions from Jen are new

I am surprised that Mandelson is being held up as a would-be saviour of the Labour Party. The home that he bought in Notting Hill in 1996 was partly funded by an interest-free loan from Geoffrey Robinson - a millionaire whose business dealings were subject to an inquiry by Mandelson's department. Mandelson did not declare the loan in the Register of Members' interests and resigned in 1998. In 2005 when he was Britain's European Commissioner Mandelson was reported to have spent New Year's Eve on the yacht of the co-founder of Microsoft, which at that time was at the centre of a major EU investigation. Similar allegations of a conflict of interest, involving a Russian oligarch, arose in 2008.

The Evening Standard in 2009 reported:

"No such frosty treatment for Peter [Mandelson] - he was pictured at the weekend at Jacob Rothschild's home ...... The Rothschilds' connections run deep into the veins of the Tory party and Jacob is also a long-standing trusted ally of Rupert Murdoch; "Peter's one of the few Labour people they'd give house room to," says a friend.

On the issue of the make-up of Corbyn's support base, Liam Young reported in The Independent yesterday:

"Jeremy Corbyn looks set to achieve a second landslide victory in the Labour leadership election, according to a YouGov poll released this week.......

".... there are some important statistics that rest behind this prediction of another thumping victory.

".... While Jeremy Corbyn’s supporters have long been labelled as young idealists trapped in a London-centric bubble, the data seems to disprove this.

"Though Corbyn receives the backing of 61 per cent of 18-24 year olds, the Labour leader is more popular with the 40-59 year old age bracket. Corbyn is supported by 63 per cent of voters within this category compared to Smith’s 37 per cent...

".... While these headline figures were somewhat expected, the finer details make for an interesting reading of the current leadership election.

"Corbyn wins every single region and every single age group. The poll shows that he would win across every section of the party electorate, whether it be full members, registered supporters or union affiliates."

Here's something else to take our minds off Mandelson.

It wasn't Corbyn who made people vote for Brexit, it was because they didn't trust Cameron.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/08/31/distrust-of-david-cameron-made-public-more-likely-to-vote-brexit-new-study-finds_n_11805180.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&ir=UK+Politics

Of course, you don't have to believe the Electoral Reform Society.
Looks like Corbyn was right not to share a platform with Cameron.

Jen, do forget my request for an apology, I expect - it was just a joke !

'Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Donald Trump were the only political "personalities" who "had the desired effect on their audience" the report found.'

Obviously Trump not so much...