Brexit 3

No it isn't. It may be an unfortunate consequence of the referendum vote, but it's not a tragedy. Did you not read the posts from Jalima and petra?

It is tragic in the classical sense of the word, if the country ends up worse off, as a result of our own actions.

If you say so. Still seems like a gross exaggeration to me.

An exaggeration and very unlikely it will happen anyway.

Brain drain is always tragic for a country- and is happening already- both of foreign brains and experience, and our own.

I do say so. It's already beginning to happen and we haven't even invoked Article 50 yet. Hundreds of requests for research grants have already been turned down, which means researchers will go abroad or foreign researchers won't be able to come to the UK.

Believe what you like. It's no exaggeration.

I'm finding it entertaining that before Brexit people who were sceptical about some 'expert' opinions about what would happen to the economy after Brexit were scoffed at. Now 'experts' are saying that Britain's economy will benefit from Brexit. Wotsisname at the Bank of England has changed his tune and today it is reported that Matthias Döpfner, "one of Germany's most prominent businessmen" (Axel Springer) has said that leaving the EU will make Britain more attractive to foreigh investors. There have been others.

It seems to me (it always did) that there is a weight of expert opinion on both sides of the issue. People just believe the ones they want to believe.

And all of it, as ever, is speculation. It may be expert speculation but it's still speculation.

Those thinking of leaving for pastures greener ( the eu) might want to take a look at what is happening with Deutsche bank. It is in a very bad way and Merkel has said she is not going to bail them out. Get out now Theresa.

Is this the village that paid the fine granjura?
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/super-rich-swiss-village-opts-for-200000-fine-instead-of-accepting-10-refugees-a7053826.html

It does mention on another forum that hardly anyone there speaks English (so not British or American ex-pats presumably) and that the transport links are dire.

So perhaps not a good place to send these traumatised people; I do hope the fine will be used to provide decent accommodation nearer to the help and resources they will need.

Further inside the Times bags is another article saying how Brexit will cost the UK millions(10) in lost taxes.

When the fallout occurs from DeutscheBank and it rocks our FTSE then no doubt Brexit will be a handy scapegoat for the wobbles in our economy.

jackofkent.com/2016/09/beano-brexit-existing-as-name-only/

Not a hard or soft Brexit, but a third way.

There's an article like that in the i as well, Welshwife.

Yes, I saw that, welsh. That's speculation too; the word "could" is the clue.

I do like the way the Times reports both good and bad possible effects.

Ah, not 'will' then.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/09/16/brexit-means-that-the-eu-can-rightfully-turn-on-the-uks-tax-havens/

If Brexit happens, the UK tax havens will be on the list for the EU to enforce tax. That means the UK itself.
That should be interesting.

Yes, that is the one Jalima. Which other Forum I'd be interested to know. Quite a few expats there- but the main point is that the very rich can just 'buy out' and expect poorer commuties to take them. Most of the refugee centres are in very rural areas all over Switzerland. We have one refugee centre in one of our villages near me- and many locals give their time to teach French, cook and do crafts with them, etc.

Can you imagine people in Tunbridge paying for not having any refugees, and say they can go to Luton instead?

I didn't think Tonbridge was that posh! And it is a bit bigger. But no, I can't imagine anyone doing that.

It seems a very unkind and unsympathetic thing to do, but, on the other hand I wonder how refugees who have been through such a traumatic time would feel if they were sent there, obviously not welcomed.

It was someone (British) asking if it was a good place to go and live and someone replied that none many people spoke English there (perhaps they don't want any outsiders at all).

Isn't that what the government is doing, paying other countries to have the refugees, saying we don't want them here?

There's Tonbridge, and then there's Tunbridge (Wells). Quite a difference!

Ah yes, Royal Tunbridge Wells

Yes, I did, and I disagree, as others do too.

Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/27/theresa-may-accused-trying-to-alter-immigration-report-before-brexit-vote

Try working out from here which side May was on.