Brexit 3

Tunbridge Wells - the only town in Kent that voted remain.
Funny how people hang on to outdated ideas of what places are like, isn't it?

Mamie I expect a lot of them are feeling quite disgusted right now though

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The town's tourist shops sell cups and knick-knacks, some with the slogan 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' printed on them and others with 'Delighted of Tunbridge Wells' on them. The shops sell twice as many goods from the 'Disgusted' range

Well everyone I know there is (and there are lots!).

I have never been there (and don't know anyone from there).

Sounds like a fun place to visit though if they can laugh at themselves like that.

It is a lovely town. A bit like a smaller version of Bath with a similar feel. The charity shops are second to none!

Car industry worrying. Still no clue from the government. How long can this cluelessness go on?

Mamie it does look a nice town, passed through there a couple of weeks ago , but it was a Saturday morning and the traffic was terrible.

A long time Whitewave. It's a case of who can hold their nerve longest. I think we'll be OK with the European car industry as they need us more than we need them, but the Japanese attitude is far more concerning as they're more liable to cut off their nose to spite their face.

It's Brexit that will be cutting off the car industry, not the Japanese.
Nissan imports parts, builds cars here, then exports cars to the rest of the EU. If it has to pay both import and export tarrifs, it may as well build the next factory on the mainland.
I heard on the local news that there are more people working in Nissan on technology instead of the actual building.
That can happen anywhere.

Nothing to do with cluelessness but everything to do with playing your cards close to your chest. Until there is something concrete to say we won't know anything. Stops speculation and false rumours, much better strategy all round.

Ib the meantime the car industry gets fed up of her playing her cards close to her chest and gives up and moves somewhere else. That's the impression I got from what I saw.

People do see what they want to see, don't they?

What did you see, Ana?

I don't see the car industry or any other industry going anywhere until after the elections and referendums coming up in Europe give a better idea of what's happening there. Everyone is sitting on the fence and waiting.

No, it'll take them two years to work out the best place to move to just in case they have to pay 10% tariffs.

The only way they will not have to pay tariffs is if we allow free movement of people.

So what did your post of 19.44 mean then?

Why will Nissan be cutting off its nose to spite its face if it moves production to Spain (or elsewhere), especially as new models come along and the factories need to be redesigned anyway? Nissan will go where it can make the biggest profit. I assume you know that Jaguar Land Rover is investing £1 billion in a new plant in Slovakia. BMW is seriously considering building a car plant there and Slovakia has the fastest growing automotive industries in the world. Toyota has said it's unlikely to invest in the UK in the light of the Brexit vote and Tata is building a new steel plant in Slovakia. Slovakia has highly skilled workers and will no doubt do what it can to attract Nissan and other manufacturers. Everything depends on trade negotiations and freedom of movement.

You can't just pick up a car factory and move it elsewhere in a couple of months, Ana. It takes a couple of years to sort out the finances including grants from other countries in the EU.
I know someone who did just this for Ford.
Mind, some of the factories are built flatpack these days to make it easier. Nestle did that in York.

Funny old world isn't it?

I see Johnson is supportingTurkeys bid to join the EU!

So as the Begian PM wrote.

"So BJ wants to help Turkey join the EU - after he just campaigned for the UK to leave, on the basis that Turkey would be joining the EU in the near future"

Couldn't make it up could you

Fallon is attempting to block the EU from forming a common military force. He wants though to be part of the military relationship after Brexit

Fox is indicating that the UK will be leaving the customs union, whilst May has said that the EU will sign an ambitious trade deal with the U.K. Johnson meanwhile has said that automatic link between single market and free movement is baloney.
Apparently Johnson is given respect nor credibility by the the other foreign ministers, and one can hardly be surprised.

I can't believe the Boris/Turkey situation. Maybe he's trying to prove that at least one of his lies was right?

Anyone seen the lyric by Johnson about the Turkish bod? I can't repeat it as it is so rude.
What is the matter with him? If this was a labour bod the media would be screaming blue murder.
I am seriously questioning Mays judgement in making him Foreign Secretary.

If anyone is wondering when May is going to reveal all about the Brexit strategy she is going to take the stage on Sunday.

Business will be pleased to be able to begin to plan, they must be fed up with the uncertainty.

Perhaps his Turkish ancestry is making him nostalgic Tegan