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The last cabinet he chose lots of people who didn't support him. They went against him from the start. There were plots from last November.
This time he has suggested he chooses a third, the PLP choose a third and the members choose a third.
That sounds a perfect compromise to me. That sounds like working together to me.

So you don't like Corbyn and you don't like the party membership. Good to know.

He is on Panorama tomorrow evening. He is very upset, he took over as labour leader after the dreadful 1983 election defeat , he battled against the militant /far left wing for such a long time , got them out of the party ,fought two elections and won back seats each time but it was the long haul , 1983 the conservatives won 397 seats, labour 209.

Kinnock had to rebuild the party, fight the militants and face up to thatcher, and the hatred of Mudoch ,now he sees the same thing happening again .

He was a good leader , he cared about the party

Share a secret with you Jen, I am a member of the Labour party have been for fifty years abd stuck with the party thought the good and bad times - unlike you. But the party is important to me - I wish it was so with you

There was no plot against Corbyn, when he won the leadership many did not want to be part of a shadow cabinet led by a far left leader, the same man who fought a campaign to bring militants back into the party.

Some agreed to join his team and worked with him but he made it very difficult , then came the Brexit campaign , he refused to really fight and even went on holiday whilst it was running, the party was working hard but not the leader so it was then so many left the cabinet, so no plot , just gave up trying to work with someone who had let them and the party down.

There you go again, another anti Corbyn rant.
I said I wouldn't ask you the same question if you didn't keep doing that.

Do you disagree with Corbyn's principles?

Why do you have so much hatred for a man who doesn't hate?

Anniebach one person cannot completely destroy something, even the most difficult people can be worked with, The Labour party has the excellent example of Mo Mowlam who refused to give up on the N Ireland peace process. To destroy a party you need people who want in some way not to compromise for their own particular reasons. Someone is playing power politics with the party and you may believe it is Corbyn, but as I was always told it takes 2 to make an argument.

I disagree trisher, the Labour Party has stood by every leader untill now, unlike the Tories. Read up on the history of the party you will see this is correct. The birth of momentum proves the fears of Corbyn as leader was justified . No other leader has had a need to start a movement to gain control, every leader has received loyalty , untill this man. Many have worked with him the whole time he has been an MP, do you think they turned from him because he had B O

Corbyn + momentum = the perfect storm.

ab sees the truth of the matter...... Unlike some!

The former leaders of the party have spoken against Corbyn

Neil Kinnock. Left

Tony Blair. Centre

Gordon Brown. Left

Ed Milliband. Left of centre

Only one is an MP, they are our leaders from 1983 to 2015,

Why would these former leaders be so against Corbyn? Only one is in the house , they have nothing to lose

And they have all worked with him , he has never given a scrap of loyalty to these leaders yet squeals how he needs MP's to get behind him.

Who is the hypocrite ? There is no other reason for them to speak out , they care for the party and do not want it destroyed

Corbyn was at his best as a backbencher where he could be as unsupportive of his party's leaders as he liked without it really mattering. I feel sorry for him in a way. He's out of his depth even if he doesn't know it.

I feel sorrier for the Party though. Will it ever recover?

Momentum has announced it is starting a junior movement so children can be involved

It is already being labelled Trots Tots.

I was mocked when I put the link to 'Tomorrow Belongs To Me' on a thread

Niggle, I have no idea what hope there is for the Labour Party now

I feel no sympathy for Corbyn , he has wanted a far left /Militant party all his adult life , McDonald wanted to stand for the leadership , he couldn't get support, he managed Diane Abbots campaign st the next contest, she was first out, then he managed Corbyns campaign and at the same time we had Momentum

Anniebach do you really know your history? You say "the Labour Party has stood by every leader untill now". On the contrary, Ramsay Macdonald had significant difficulties over his policies, so did Hugh Gaitskill, then of course there was the Independent Labour Party which split, rejoined and split again. The history of the party is full of disagreement. Blaming it all on Corbyn is just ludicrous it has been going on for ages. Nothing wrong with that, discussion and compromise are the cornerstones of democracy.

trisher, where did I say all leaders policies were agreed with by all? I said the party had never ousted a leader

Democracy? Threatening MP's with deselection , Corbyns close friend Len McCluscy is on record as saying these MP's are asking for it

Not forgetting the gang of four who left and started their own party.

Never heard Corbyn squeal.
Annie, read what trisher said. She actually quoted you saying that the labour party has stood by every leader until now.
It hasn't.

You said "stood by" not "ousted" Anniebach but I won't bother to argue. The history of the Labour party is full of disputes which presumably you choose to ignore.

Yes trisher, by I was referring to getting shot of a leader was I not? I referred to the Tories getting shot of leaders, this has not happened in the Labour Party , I did not say there had been no disagreements, the Gang of Four left the party, oh that Corbyn would do the same and take his momentum groupies with him,

You didn't, Annie, you just said unlike the Tories.

The labour party will never win again if Corbyn splits from the others. As Corbyn will be chosen leader of the labour party, it's the others who will have to summon up the nerve to leave. But they won't as they will lose their jobs for certain.

Jen, think sbout it, you are !really over excited about the increase in membership, come the election how many votes will be lost if Corbyn is leader? You believe there are more momentum supporters than there are voters in the country? And you saud .i was talking crisp

No point in you and I saying anymore to each other, you are concerned for Corbyn, my concern is fir the vunerable eho need a lsbour government. I would add I find your posts on other threads criticising the Tories for lack of care for the vunerable hypocritical, even the Tories care more than you

Sorry, Annie, you are getting nasty and personal now.
Tories care more than I do.

How dare you!
You are right. You are not worth talking to.

I think durhamjen's link to the Paul Mason article did provide some balance. It is common knowledge, and Mason has made no secret of the fact, that he is on the left. He does not, as some commentators do, try to present himself as a disinterested bystander whilst at the same time using innuendo, ridicule and "loaded" words and phrases to put his own slant on what purports to be a factual report.

A recent examination carried out by the LSE and Birkbeck of 40 prime time TV news bulletins and 465 on line news articles from 8 web sites found that over half of the news articles and two-thirds of all editorials and opinion pieces were critical of Corbyn.

A few days before Corbyn was elected as leader, a Panorama report entitled "Jeremy Corbyn: Labour's Earthquake" was broadcast. Every critic of Corbyn was wheeled out: Tristram Hunt, David Blunkett, Charles Clarke, etc. etc. and the whole tone of the programme - including the menacing background music - created a sense of foreboding and danger.

The attacks on him were relentless - each day there were attempts to discredit him as a politician and person - his dress sense, his age, his supposed lack of intelligence, his alleged lack of patriotism, his gullibility, etc. etc. etc. There came a point when even those people who didn't really rate him were starting to feel a bit uncomfortable about the onslaught. As Paul Mason said, the tactics changed. It was hard to portray Corbyn as some sort of demonic force - much more effective to target Momentum - containing hundreds of people - and portray them as a faceless mass of either naive "hippies/groupies" who haven't "grown up", or "fanatics", "entryists" and "militants". As has been said several times before, it is difficult to understand why there is such criticism of Momentum, which supports Corbyn, when there are several groups, including Progress, Saving Labour and Labour Tomorrow, whose ongoing purpose is to reinforce a right wing agenda and whose immediate purpose is to get rid of Corbyn.

anniebach You seem to see yourself as morally superior because of your lengthy and unbroken membership of the Labour Party. Indeed, you have referred to several of us as "morally bankrupt" because our views are different from your own. durhamjen said she had lost faith in the party following the decision of most of its MPs to back, with little discussion or interrogation of the facts, the invasion of another country half way across the world from us. I believe her decision was a perfectly honourable one and I wish I had taken it myself. The notion of "my party - or my country - right or wrong" is, I think, a dangerous one.

I've just seen your last remarks anniebach and I think they show that you are incapable of taking part in a sensible discussion but instead resort to making personal and inflammatory remarks about people with whom you disagree.

I don't think anniebach can be accused of supporting her "party, right or wrong". She is and has been, quite clearly and obviously, criticising the Labour Party as led by Jeremy Corbyn. So are a lot of other commentaors throughout the media who have no personal allegiance to the Party, and so are the majority of Labour MPs. The criticisms, whether one agrees with them or not, are reasonable when you get down to the crux of the issue which is that the Labour Party is making itself unelectable so it will not be in a position for the foreseeable future (so it seems) to help the very people it was founded to help.

This is a perfectly cogent argument and anniebach has made it bravely and well on Gransnet.

The hero worship/cult following of Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum is an amazing phenomenon to watch. ab has also commented on that and made clear the effect that has had on her. I have felt that effect too. I'm in political limbo because of current Labour Party happenings.

thank you thatbags.

I am listening to Today and interview with supporters and with Corbyn, he has told the crowd he will win the general election and he has told the Today reporter all that is needed to win is numbers .

A newspaper is for sale at the rally the seller said it was formerly The Tribune and that is printed in it.

I heard last night there is talk that fourteen of the original shadow cabinet will rejoin.

Proof for the young that bullying is good. Bricks through windows, threats of unemployment, threats of rape .

Wonder who Momentum will select to stand in Camerons constituency .

A vote for Corbyn is a vote for a Tory government

Annie I know you have a perfect right to express your views but it would be good if you refrained from casting accusations which have no basis in fact and certainly if they have happened cannot be linked to Corbyn. You perpetually harp on about bricks through windows and rape which are criminal acts and should be reported and dealt with by the proper authorities. As for unemployment I think most of us have faced this throughout our working life, why shouldn't MPs? There is after all no such thing as a job for life any more.