Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

No Obieone, we learn from history and hopefully do not make the same mistakes

Are you trying to stir obi bit mean when I'm trying hard to hold out a hand of friendship to annie

So the PLP doesn't like Jeremy and stages a coup by all resigning from the Shadow cabinet, hoping he will go, but he doesn't. They then fail miserably to put up anyone as a candidate for leader who has a chance of winning, and Jeremy is re-elected with a larger majority. They then want to choose the shadow cabinet. Do they not understand that they are the main reason the Labour party is so low in the opinion polls? People don't like scheming and back stabbing.

The East coast mainline worked well in public ownership, so well that Virgin took it over last year.
It would be good to go back to that.

I accept your hand of friendship whitewave and extend mine

They probably do, trisher, but don't know what else to do to keep some semblance of power.

Actually, what Corbyn is doing now with them is probably a good idea. Rather than having departmental leaders, he is asking what they are interested in.
Everyone knows that Yvette Cooper is interested in refugees, and dealing with all questions to do with that.
Benn is going to deal with Brexit questions.
Teresa Pearce is in charge of housing questions.

They don't actually need the same people sitting on the front bench all the time. It's called unity.

yah!!!!! Small beginnings.

How does that work the dj? Sounds OK. Are there any pitfalls?

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Yvette Cooper has been talking about refugees ever since she went with Jo Cox to Calais. She talks from the front bench if she knows the subject is going to come up, but from the back bench, and with just the same authority, if it happens in another discussion.

Debates in parliament do not happen off the cuff, so it should be easy enough to get a team on any subject.
Even in their departments there is a team. I do not see why they cannot share departmental responsibility.

Andy MacDonald at the moment talking about how transport has become too detached from the idea of a public service.

It does make more sense in a way, because hopefully we can get experts talking about the subject, which will develop the debate and hold the government to book.

Of course traditionally we've always had shadow this that and the other, but there's no reason to continue like that if this works really well.

But Corbyn wants to change the way things are done.
Carwyn Jones now talking about legislating to prevent the use of agency workers to undermine action by workers.
Another good idea. He's also supporting Corbyn.

Interesting. Wales has lower unemployment than any other part of the UK. He puts it down to devolution.

Yes I think that honestly has been the problem with the workers in this country, I think it is almost certain that the employers have used the EU immigrant to suppress the wage in certain areas.

One of the push factors when voting for Brexit.

Good about Wales as traditionally they always had high unemployment. Welsh Labour doing good.

Just hope the rest of the country takes notice.

Another good idea, Labour will suspend the right to buy council houses. We need more housing, not less. We need more to be built, not fewer houses available for those on the waiting lists.
Bring back the Green Investment Bank, to pay for those houses, get people into work.

There a thread on here saying exactly the same thing. So that clearly chimes.

Wales has lower unemployment and lowest wages . So many think Wales is the South Wales valleys, no, much of Wales is rural

Wages are always low in rural communities. I am familiar with that -Cornwall.

whitewave, didnt recognise it as the hand of friendship.

Bit of a sore point really. In real life, dealing with an issue, where really the group of people mean, I want things all my own way.

Voted in favour of the housing and transport policies.

They are whitewave, the majority are on the minimum wage

Momentum had a party last night, and collected £2500 to give to a refugee charity.

Yes Kinnock lost the next two elections, it took the country a long time to trust after the far left disaster of 1983 , the country will never vote for a far left government. He did increase the number of Labour seats though and that was tough. He did it without protection of cults. He got out there and took on Murdoch - who hated him - and the English press who were so against a Welsh PM, he was also dealing with Thatcher and the militant wing of the party George Galloway hated him too

No t sure what we've heard today is really hard left though. So far I think most can be accepted by all wings?

My post was in defence of a good Labour MP and personal friend who fought a very long battle for the Lsbour party but was mocked on this thread, anyone who was Labour activist in that period would have known the facts

Oh I didn't understand that sorry.