Mind you I will be totally honest and say I would have huge difficult y in voting for Peter Kyle again -he has been so divisive 
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Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party
(513 Posts)Well that was interesting. I should say Panarama was also enlightening but not as forceful and uncompromisingly direct in it's reporting content as Dispatches.
I'm not going to simply post on the Lib Dem Thread which has turned into a Labour Thread as I think this programme summed up exactly what I have thought and have been posting since the formation of Momentum , it is a ' Party within a Party.'
I will say now to those who will see it as propaganda and take umbrage at my post you cannot argue with what you see and hear from the horses mouth, no matter how hard you might try and no doubt will.
The fact Momentum are doing all they can to play down the Momentum name in connection to the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign , the use of the Unite Union office are significant, the way the reporter was paid is serious stuff and I hope there is further investigation into that. Will anybody take it up I wonder?.
Has anybody 'Cicked' on the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign or answered questions on the phone in connection with it. The reason I ask is if you have you are, as I understood it, on the data base on the Jeremy For Labour Services?. Listen to what is said about it , you may not be too happy, or maybe you will of course.
There is to be fair a Momentum explanation and statement at the end of the programme but it is worth viewing to make your own mind up if you didn't catch it.
Perhaps if you started to try and spell John McDonnell's name properly, people might take you more seriously, Annie.
Don't bother telling me again why you call him the wrong name. I know that and it's childish.
Saying that Corbyn did not help the case for staying in the EU is wrong. This is what he did.
10 EU rallies, with speeches and meetings in London, Bristol, Stroud, Newquay, Perranporth, Cardiff, Blackpool, Bournemouth, Liverpool, Runcorn, Manchester, Truro, Sheffield, Widnes, Doncaster, Rotherham, Hastings, Brighton, Dundee, Aberdeen and Birmingham.
These included a meeting with student nurses in Birmingham, a factory in Runcorn, a clean beaches event in Truro and campaigning with activists in Scotland.
Launched the Labour In bus and the Ad Van.
A debate on Sky News with Faisal Islam, also talked about the EU on the Agenda and the Last Leg. Appeared on the Andrew Marr show twice and on Peston on Sunday.
Written two op-eds, one in the Observer and another in The Mirror.
Reached more than 10 million people on social media.
Six statements to the House of Commons and 10 PMQs on the EU.
He has been consistent on this issue from day one of his leadership, issuing a statement in September that “Labour will be campaigning in the referendum for the UK to stay in the European Union”."
Yes, he took a break in the middle of it, a long weekend because it was his birthday.
But you are not a momentum member whitewave so your vote would be based on your opinions of the candidates responses when they attend the selection meeting ,
I didn't know there were boundary changes in Liverpool but in fairness to the MP's when you have the communist party at the momentum meeting in Liverpool with banners calling for deselection of MP's not involved in boundary changes surely this is feeding the rift
How do you know whitewave is not a momentum member?
Policy proposals from McDonnell's speech.
Brexit.
Labour are/will work with social democratic colleagues across Europe to get the best deal for the UK
They will seek to protect workers jobs and have continued access to the single market on which so many of our jobs depend.
Labour recognises that the Financial Services are vital to our economic health, and will support the city, but they must never be allowed to repeat the disaster in 2008, and Labour will legislate to ensure that this can never happen again.
Aggressive tax avoidance will be challenged at every level and HMRC will be given the resources in order to do this.
Companies who take part in such aggressive avoidance will not as a matter of principle be awarded government contracts.
The tax burden will be rebalanced towards holders of wealth who have the ability to opt out of the tax system.
A National Investment Bank is to be set up with the mandate to work with entrepreneurs at regional level. This will include
Energy provision
Broad band provision
Transport
Labour recognises that SMEs have great difficulty in obtaining credit in order to build their business. The regional offices of the NIB will provide the credit they are seeking.
Company law will be changed in order that disasters like BHS will never happen. Companies will not be able to what get up excessive debt in order to pay their shareholders.
In any takeover Labour will legislate to ensure that workers pensions are protected.
Workers representatives will be able to sit on company boards.
Trade union law will be repealed.
Labour will make it easier for employees to have a stake in their company
Labour would like to see the cooperative sector grow to match that in the USA and Germany
Labour recognises that the welfare system does not properly serve the expanding self employed this will be looked at
Basic income will become a proper living wage but at the same time Labour recognises that aMEs may have difficulty in achieving this aim. Labour will consult with SMEs to provide a way forward
He then went on to outline how the world and globalisation is changing and how austerity is now recognised as having not achieved its aim of reducing debt. The U.K. Debt stands Pat £1.6trn and rising. Keynesian economics is now in the ascendency.
Labour will pursue a Kenysian strategy at both a macro and micro level.
I hope he realises that raising the minimum wage disadvantages the self-employed, who, with Universal Credit are assumed to have an income equivalent to working full-time for minimum wage. Many don't. He needs to be doing more than 'looking at' the way the benefits system works for the self-employed.
But as they are never going to get into Government, it's all pie in the sky.
Daphne, that's the present government's policy.
I presume they will change that as far as self-employed are concerned.
It's those employers who evade their responsibility as far as the employed are concerned who need to raise their game.
Small businesses will struggle, they have to pay a percentage of employees pension scheme so this will rise as well as a rise in wages and NIC contributions
@dj
Apparently he said he'd 'look at it'. You can't presume anything. There are millions of self-employed, who fall into this trap and shouldn't be dismissed.
In his speech he recognised both the problem with the self employed and the SMEs and stated that Labour would work with both to ensure neither were disadvantaged.
It's not just the problem with SMEs! It's the way the benefits system works and he didn't even acknowledge that. I doubt if he even realises there's a problem. Sorry, I'm not holding my breath.
What else did you disagree with daphne?
Trisher refers to a lot of people being disadvantaged by the Tory cuts. I think that human nature shows us that a great number of people would rather stay with the devil they know than the devil they don't.
I agree Petra, there are far more in employment and with houses than unemployed or homeless.
Sorry, Annie, I thought you were supposed to care for the homeless and the unemployed. Next you'll be saying it's their fault they are homeless and unemployed.
ab has just stated a fact, nothing more, nothing less.
Just been watching an extended Daily Politics, does anybody really think they are not on a mission to infiltrate and take over wherever they can, intimidating as they go.How does THAT fit with a gentler different way of doing politics.
Sorry, if you weren't watching ,.....Momentum.
Careful Rosesarered, you will be accused of ranting by one poster .
Momentum are dangerous and will do all they can to take over the Labour party, well they have really , Corbyn is dependant on them ,
So how do you think Labour can appeal to those people I mentioned Anniebach presumably as a member of Labour First you have all the answers. Although it seems to me if it is a choice between the Tories and a right wing labour party they are even more lightly to stick with the Tories. A proper range of policies offering a real alternative to austerity might at least interest them. Are you really a Labour party member? Your posts are so pro Tory.
Unlike most corbynites here I do not have all the answers , so stop sniping just because I do not agree Corbyn is a good leader
Exactly, Annie. You don't have the answers, you just criticise those who want to try to focus on them.
Listening to Ian Lavery at the moment.
They want to listen to the members.
The past we inherit, the future we build.
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