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Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

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POGS Mon 19-Sept-16 21:58:40

Well that was interesting. I should say Panarama was also enlightening but not as forceful and uncompromisingly direct in it's reporting content as Dispatches.

I'm not going to simply post on the Lib Dem Thread which has turned into a Labour Thread as I think this programme summed up exactly what I have thought and have been posting since the formation of Momentum , it is a ' Party within a Party.'

I will say now to those who will see it as propaganda and take umbrage at my post you cannot argue with what you see and hear from the horses mouth, no matter how hard you might try and no doubt will.

The fact Momentum are doing all they can to play down the Momentum name in connection to the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign , the use of the Unite Union office are significant, the way the reporter was paid is serious stuff and I hope there is further investigation into that. Will anybody take it up I wonder?.

Has anybody 'Cicked' on the ' Jeremy for Labour ' Campaign or answered questions on the phone in connection with it. The reason I ask is if you have you are, as I understood it, on the data base on the Jeremy For Labour Services?. Listen to what is said about it , you may not be too happy, or maybe you will of course.

There is to be fair a Momentum explanation and statement at the end of the programme but it is worth viewing to make your own mind up if you didn't catch it.

durhamjen Wed 21-Sept-16 20:08:50

But he gets slated all the time for never changing his mind. Surely it's a good thing if he does.

Angela Eagle did not get a brick through the window of her office. Her office was nowhere near the window that was broken, and there was no sign on the building that it was her office.

It's not new members who will have to sign up to not abusing anyone online. It's all members, even those who have been members for 40 or 50 years.
That's a good thing as well.

It's not all onesided.
Three members of Bristol Council have had their membership taken away from them for openly supporting Corbyn.
This means that the Labour Party no longer runs Bristol Council.
I hope Labour party members realise that that is a bad thing for the Labour Party.

Anniebach Wed 21-Sept-16 20:10:36

But Corbyn never changes his views and beliefs ,

durhamjen Wed 21-Sept-16 20:11:53

Did anyone else see the interview on BBC news24 between Huw Edwards and Ken Loach?
I thought it was excellent and so respectful. A much needed balance to Laura Kuennsberg's interview of Corbyn.

Ana Wed 21-Sept-16 20:19:06

It's not new members who will have to sign up to not abusing anyone online

My quote was from the Independent, so they must have got it wrong.

Anniebach Wed 21-Sept-16 20:19:31

Three council members are out and this is a bad thing for the party? Wonder what Corbynite devotees will say when labour loses many seats st the next general election,

It is not true that sny party member has their membership taken away because they openly eupport Corbyn, it's momentum lies. Any Labour Party member with communist , militant links or who are abusive will have their membership removed.

Let's stick to the truth not momentum speak. How come the new members who joined because they are corbynites are still members.

durhamjen Wed 21-Sept-16 20:26:22

labourlist.org/2016/09/the-starting-point-is-to-treat-all-people-with-dignity-and-respect-labour-clampdown-on-abuse/

Anniebach Wed 21-Sept-16 20:39:08

Does this mean Corbyns close friend McDonald will no longer call labour MP's f*****g losers, or Len McClusky will no longer say some labour MP's deserve to be deselected

I consider telling lies to be lacking respect so Corbyn will not try the train stunt again?

Anniebach Wed 21-Sept-16 20:40:36

Still awaiting your opinion on the Dispstches programme Jen,

petra Wed 21-Sept-16 20:58:31

I wonder what Unite members feel about Momentum using office space in a building that their subscriptions are paying for. I'd like to think that they are giving Mclusky (sp) a piece of their mind.

durhamjen Wed 21-Sept-16 22:54:20

evolvepolitics.com/winning-not-point-labour-right-winger-reveals-owen-smith-just-blairites-useful-idiot/

Nearly makes me feel sorry for Owen Smith.

durhamjen Wed 21-Sept-16 22:55:31

By the way, John Pienaar's daughter is on Smith's team.

Anniebach Wed 21-Sept-16 23:05:35

Rubbish as usual, one persons opinion. Smith knew exactly what he was doing, certainly no idiot, just an MP who cares about the party surviving . Anyone who views Smith as a sacrificial lamb offered up by Blairites - blairites must mentioned - knows nothing of the workings of a political battle . Pathetic link sorry

durhamjen Wed 21-Sept-16 23:24:27

Luke Akehurst said it. He runs the Anyone but Corbyn group.
Perhaps you ought to find out a bit about him.

Anniebach Wed 21-Sept-16 23:30:22

Not interested, sorry but yet another link of nothing , just an opinion masked as a fact

nightowl Thu 22-Sept-16 00:06:03

That's an interesting article jen. It's spot on about the so called 'moderates' (hollow laugh) and the devious, nasty, bullying tactics they will employ to get their way. And it's spot on about what those same 'moderates' said to those people leaving Labour when Tony Blair hijacked the party for his own ends. I remember it being said to me almost word for word when I said I could no longer vote for labour under his leadership.

whitewave Thu 22-Sept-16 07:31:24

Thar is exactly been my opinion since this contest started.
If the right wing faction was serious in this contest they would have put forward a serious contestant - there are far better choices than Smith. But they know that they cannot at the moment win so Smith is the fall guy to test the water.

We will almost certainly see more undermining and disruption of a democratically elected leader. Whatever you think of him his policies are chiming with the Labour membership.
I think the biggest criticism to be levelled at Corbyn is his leadership style. This cannot be helped by those opposed to democracy in the Labour Party who will not accept the will of the membership.
Labour Mps have a duty to oppose. I am appalled at this lack of opposition. Instead they choose to use their energies opposing their own elected leader. The Tories are an open goal with so much to highlight so much easy meat to chew. It is a disgrace.

Do not assume from this post that I fully support Corbyn - I have my reservations but
I respect the democratic process. Corbyn must stand or fall by the general election, just as other leaders done.

nightowl Thu 22-Sept-16 07:57:17

Couldn't agree more whitewave.

Anniebach Thu 22-Sept-16 08:13:15

Surprised there are no opinions on the subject of this thread ,

CHANNEL 4 DISPATCHES

Considering what was revealed in that programme to speak of democracy is a farce.

Perhaps not so surprised considering what was revealed in the programme.

whitewave Thu 22-Sept-16 08:19:22

I didn't watch it Annie, so can't comment. Sorry

Anniebach Thu 22-Sept-16 08:19:40

Nightowl, other leaders have stood or fallen at general elections as a united force, leader and shadow cabinet and MP's

The present leader of the Labour Party has united with an unelected group of people who work under the banner Momentum

Anniebach Thu 22-Sept-16 08:20:25

Try catch up whitewave

nightowl Thu 22-Sept-16 08:21:41

I don't agree Anniebach. Simple as that.

whitewave Thu 22-Sept-16 08:25:42

With what Annie?

Anniebach Thu 22-Sept-16 08:41:24

Dispatches on catch up tv whitewave.

Anniebach Thu 22-Sept-16 08:42:41

I didn't expect you to to trisher, not on a criticism of momentum - denial