Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

You live in a different world from me as well Millbrook if you think one man's political views can be compared to the destruction caused by war.

And just how has Corbyn destroyed anyone's life chances anyway?

No he didn't, Annie. He won in all three parts.

He got 59% of the votes of older members. By my reckoning, that's a majority.
He won 60% of the union membership, again, a majority.
What don't you understand there?
A majority in all three parts.
They had no need to split it that way, but did so to show he has the support of the majority in all three types of membership.

Corbyn's first big issue is about grammar schools. There's going to be a campaign for inclusive education starting next Saturday.

I hope nobody's going to disagree with this being a good idea.

Shami was so very emotional last night, she said - a 66 year old man was stabbed in the back in daylight in cold blood.

She seems very fond of him

I explained already nightowl.... Because he knows he can't win an election, but he still won't resign. Which means the Tories will be in power for a long time, which means lots of bad things will happen because in that thing called Govt, the winner gets to do what they want.

Have you been a LP member long?

Also nightowl ... I didn't compare JC's views to Blairs. It's their actions.....Blair destroyed lives through war, Corbyn will destroy them by staying as Labour leader ( see above)

Are you a LP member, Millbrook?

I think the very same Millbrook. Labour will not win a general election with a far left leader , he said Foot was a great success when leader, seems he forgot the hammering the Labour Party got in 1983 , or he believes that was a success

You'll be saying that the 1983 hammering was his fault as well, Annie. That was the year he was elected MP, so the hammering couldn't have been his fault.

Son came round last night and we had a long chat about the Labour Party.

He has recently attended a meeting which was attended by Corbyn. There were over 1000 people who attended and Corbyn was very well received.

What I found interesting was that there was overwhelming agreement for a broad left coalition composing the left wing of the Labour Party the Lib -Dems and the Greens. Don't forget that Brighton is a Green constituency.

I think it is a runner and has a lot of advantages.

The right wing of the Labour Party would get rid of the thorn in their side and be free to pursue Tory lite policies which they seem to think will be an election winner, and the Broad left will be able to provide a true opposition to Tory policies, whether in the guise of the Tories or right wing Labour.

I believe that a real opposition will be extremely attractive to the 60% who didn't vote Tory last time.

Still no opinion from Corbyn supporters on the question leading this thread , seems they all missed it.

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This is interesting.

'Corbyn again was best at getting registered supporters to back him, but he did not win amongst this group as overwhelmingly as he did last time. In 2015 Corbyn was much better than other candidates at actively recruiting registered supporters and he won by 84% in this category. This year he won with 70%, reflecting the fact that this year Corbyn’s opponents made an active effort, through groups like Saving Labour, to get their own people to sign up. The fact that people had to pay £25 to be a registered supporter, not £3, may also have deflated Corbyn’s support a bit.'

This shows that Momentum did not have a big effect. He lost 14% since last year in this group.
What they forgot to mention is the number of people who had their vote annulled in this group, or who were refused a vote.

Interestingly annie I asked my son about the Brighton meeting and whether he was aware of the evil momentum and their ability to sway the attendees. He laughed, and simply said what a lot of rubbish is talked by the media. That was it wasn't even worth a discussion.

Yes durhamjen I'm a LP member.

The programme not what was said by a member of the public

Have you been a LP member long, Millbrook?

Still think it's a crass comparison Millbrook. Perhaps if the right wing of the Labour Party would support their (twice) democratically elected leader labour might be able to mount a real opposition to the government. Although they haven't done too badly so far in terms of by elections, mayoral elections, moderating government policy etc etc.

That's a really interesting proposal whitewave, and I'd be interested in hearing more about it.

Just had an email from a friend on holiday in France with her 85 year old mum. They are all so pleased at the result and have named the local win Corbyn in honour. So every night they are happy to drink Corbyns health!!!!

This is what Patrick McLoughlin said, the Tory party chairman.

While Labour row amongst themselves, this Conservative government will continue to deliver a country that works for everyone, not just the privileged few.

He lives in a different universe as well, if he thinks that.

nightowl and me!!! It has been talked about by the Greens certainly and I am sure mentioned by the Lib Dems and clearly members of the labour left are beginning to look at the idea.

I am interested because at the moment the 60% vote is divided and so difficult into join the opposition, but I reckon this would definitely be worth pursuing.

My son works with a Green council or who apparently is always talking about the idea.

Councillor?

So long as you avoid Labour First and Progress. If Momentum is a party within a party, what are they?

Labour First has already sent a message to its supporters to carry on opposing Corbyn.

durhamjen 30 years.

nightowl You're entitled to think I am being crass. And I think your idea that those various election victories are anything at all to do with Corbyn's leadership or policies is naive and shows a lack of understanding of how local politics works.

Let's hope we're all in a position to help our grandchildren in the future, because best betting odds for a non Tory Govt are now for it to be in 16 years time.

yes councillor.

They -Labour first and Progress can go off to the Labour/Tory lite party, then we wouldn't have to worry about the sort of right wing policies they are pushing and the rest of us can form up with a broad church left wing coalition and run at the next election.

Brilliant story in the Mirror, about a train seat and Jeremy Corbyn.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-ram-packed-virgin-8901399

Excellent idea, whitewave. I have a feeling Millbrook will go with them.

I was a member 30 years ago, Millbrook.
Disillusioned with Blair and left. Obviously you were taken in by him. Never mind.