Channel 4 Dispatches - Momentum Party

I really dont think that the far left can complain any more about tory policies, when they are it appears supporting a man and ideals that they dont think will mean the Labour Party will be back in power in 2020 or even 2025. And which splits the party so much, that there is not an effective opposition any more.

It is not forward, it is backwards.

The party does need to move forward , going back thirty years is pointless Obieone but the far left will take it back

Giving thought to which oposition MP May will listen to, for some reason I doubt it will be Corbyn given her mocking of him not being able to form a shadow cabinet . She doesn't seem to take advice from her own party MP's

Please ignore me, Annie, like you said you were going to do.

Some of us think that Labour can win the next election with Corbyn as leader, providing the PLP gets behind him.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/23/labour-party-two-choices-marketing-movement-building

I would like to repeat a post I made earlier, there are just a few posters I have no wish to exchange views and opinions with but I will continue to address subjects posted on this thread, if I didn't it would become a corbyn is the messiah thread

Thanks

No more to say to you Jen.

I will not exchange posts with you, nightowl or Jen, I will continue to post my opinions on Corbyn and momentum but will be addressing the forum.

I think you'll find you have just exchanged a post with me.

If you actually posted some real ideas instead of just condemnation of Corbyn that might be quite nice Anniebach.
I am surprised that there are young people who don't know who Blair is. My DSs in their 30s are very aware of him and the illegal war he led us into. There are so many reasons why the Tory ascendance can be traced back to him. When he led us into the war a substantial number of Labour voters moved to the Lib Dems and remained there because of student grants- so we got a coalition government. The LIb Dems lied and Labour presented a party practically indistinguishable from the Tories at the next election, so the Tories stayed in. Unless there is a real anti-austerity party the Tories will stay in power. I don't care who leads it but I know that for most people it must be someone who has real Labour value and who is seen as honest.

I have trisher, Corbyn should stand down, another leadership contest ,there are honest Labour MP's and the party is able to cut free of momentum .

I cannot agree that Corbyn has been honest, he was when a back bencher , but not since becoming leader. Let's have a leader who will take on the.media, hsve the courage to be interviewed live on the Today programme, it is the one programme the country respects, every politician faces a grilling and they all accept this and they get their message across to the public, appearing st organised rallies is useless

Excellent article here by Andy Burnham.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/23/andy-burnham-jeremy-corbyns-labour-leadership-call-for-unity

It seems that even the first PLP meeting after the election last year was anti-Corbyn. He wasn't given a chance.

Do you think there was a reason for him 'not being given a chance' ?

It's in the article, roses.

Rosesarered, if I may answer your question?

He had thirty years of chances as an MP

Policies are the most important but there is also the way an MP conducts themselves which show the man/woman

To run a campaign to bring in militants and communists back into the party

To vote time and time again against party leaders then demand MP's support him

To make Shami a baroness weeks after she carried out the anti semitism investigation when both want the lords abolished

And this will be scoffed at - and I am no royalist - when the Queen Mother died the house paid tribute, Corbyn who is a republican and didn't approve turned up for it in a bright red jacket , he should have showed he didn't want tributes paid by staying away

Divorcing wife no 2 because of her choice of school for one son

Left his polytechnic before gaining his degree because he disagreed with the curriculum set by his tutors

This shows a man who in my opinion is unbending, will not compromise a fraction , his way or no way , this is a man who cannot work in a team so how can he be a team leader

No, those can't be the reasons for the PLP not giving him a chance from the first meeting.

I do hope the PLP were not so petty.
Shami Chakrabaati was only made a member of the Lords last month, so that had nothing to do with what happened a year ago.

Do you think it's better to pack the Lords with people who want to keep the Lords as it is, or with people who want it abolished?

He voted with his conscience in parliament, which is why there are so many new members now, because they like someone who has principles. He voted against the party line on average once a month, that's all.

I do not think divorcing his wife would have anything to do with whether the PLP went along with him, and I think it's weird that you think that is the reason. In most divorces there are many reasons.

I think you are letting your prejudicial rants get in the way again.

Andy Burnham is jumping ship to be mayor of Manchester because he knows full well Labour will never be in Govt under Corbyn. He has remained quiet during the campaign and, now that it's all over, is producing stuff like this article, so that he can get Corbynistas' votes in his own election. They don't seem to have much of a clue about how real politics works - but they'll vote for pretty much anyone who supports their hero JC. Fairly shifty behaviour from AB, but then he's now on the same Corbyn supporting team as people like Ken Livingstone and George Galloway, so no surprise there.

The idea that JC can win the next GE is just risible....the electorate on the doorstep think he's a joke. 71% of people who voted Labour last time but will not vote for them again will do so specifically because of him. (And no, the non voters and Iraq returners will not make up the difference!)

Today is a sad day for the Labour party, the country, and the people who need a Govt who protects and supports them. Corbyn's wilful destruction of their life chances is just as bad as anything Blair did in Iraq. And Corbyn is just as self righteous and smug as Blair could be, without his brains and ability to win elections.

Corbyn wins by 62% , last time it was 59% , this is not an official announcement

I guess you don't like Corbyn, then, Millbrook.
He's asking everyone to stop personal abuse at the moment.
It's official now, Annie, 61.8%

Corbyn's wilful destruction of their life chances is just as bad as anything Blair did in Iraq.

What a dreadful and outrageous comparison Millbrook.

Confirmed

Corbyn. 61.8%

Smith. 38.2%

Well said Millbrook

We no longer have a Labour Party, we have the momentum party

Corbyn won in all sections of the party, in long standing members, affiliated members and the registered supporters.

labourlist.org/2016/09/jeremy-corbyn-earns-refreshed-mandate-as-he-is-re-elected-labour-leader/

He won 59% of the ordinary members.

I can't stand Corbyn durhamjen That's not personal abuse - just a fact. He can't stand Blair, and says so frequently...what's the difference?

And what's so outrageous about the comparison nightowl? People die of poverty, lack of mental health services, homelessness etc, just as much as in war. Corbyn knows full well that he can't get Labour into govt, to stop those things happening, and he doesn't care. He earns 137k a year, owns his expensive London home, gives his son and his friends highly paid jobs in the Labour Party. He's all fine words and no consequences for him. His 'principles' are just an excuse for arrogance.

Jeremy Corbyn arrogant?
You live in a different world from the majority of Labour Party members, Millbrook.

So Corbyn won on the votes of the new members not on the votes of loyal Labour Party members

The votes which matter to the vunerable in this country will be the votes at the next general election , I feel such sorrow for them