Foreigners

White wave. I have worked so hard all my life and bringing up 4 children. I am still working. I am sure you have worked hard. Yes?

Suzied I am not talking about people here already. I have many friends from other countries. But we have had a influx which has changed the lives of many people here adversely. Including those who immigrated here years ago. So it needs now to be controlled. We can't take in all migrants. We are a small island in huge debt. How many people should we have here before people twig it doesn't work. Would you accept another 20 million. 30 when would you stop?

People want to come here. I want a new car but I can't! I think the refugee issue is different. They need help and we should consider carefully how to deal with it.

When you say people here - do you mean people like my DIL (whose parents are white British BTW) who just happened to be born elsewhere but went to school, uni, is a medic, etc here should be treated less favourably than someone who happened to be born on UK soil? How would you enact such discrimination? maybe we should all get a number tattooed on our wrists.

Patel thinks the British worker is very lazy lyndie

It would be a very strange strategy to follow not to employ on merit.

Suzied I don't agree with you. Of course people here have priority . Because there is a cost to people coming even if they earn money and of course quality of life. I am from London but now live in the south west. It's like a different country here to London.

Obione - should someone whose parents happened to be in a different country at the time their birth be treated as a 2nd class citizen in the country where they live legally? My DIL was born in Eygypt as her parents were working there at the time, but has lived here all her life, has a British passport, works in the NHS etc - should she not have got that job? where do you draw the line here? Surely getting a job should be on merit, not where you happen to be born.

Unemployment makes me very angry. Indigenous people over the age of 50 try to get jobs, even at minimum wages and can't. They are written off. Often ending up doing craft and selling at markets but unable to earn enough, as so many people are desperately doing it. Also for over sixties, who thought they would get their pension at 60 can't get jobs until 66 when they receive their pension. The government needs to do something. Also what about the young. They can't get jobs and if they can its call centre work even with a decent degree at a low wage.

We have not educated enough young people to become doctors, plumbers etc. It's ridiculous bringing in foreign workers when people here are crying out for work! And we are not lazy, we work more hours than any other country in Europe. Obviously there is some generalisation but there are people I know really struggling after a life time of work. You can't live on the state pension.

Can't see what all the fuss is about either. It's only like the Census.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

The UK didn't even allow Afghan asylum seekers to enter the UK in the first place.

I see that Germany is sending back 10s of 1,000s of Afgan asylum seekers. Not just to Turkey but directly to Afganistan, seemingly at odds with the international convention on refugees.
And it's us who are accused of being the nasty rascist country

Anybody taking Australian citizenship has to pay a great deal of money, take a test and make a pledge of commitment to the country. It shouldn't matter where they were born.

Shudder all you like, obieone!

Hmmmm! In that case, should Boris Johnson be Foreign Secretary? Surely he shouldn't have expected to grab the job - there must be loads of people just as well (or better) qualified than somebody foreign-born.

The answer in that case is that the person should not be accepted as a citizen in that case.

Another person should not expect to come in and grab whatever they fancy.[to be fair to Smileless2012's son, he doesnt expect that which is good.

Shudder actually that people think like Eloethan and suzied.

I have kids working in other countries but no way do they think they should take. I would hope that they give, as they are doing things that the local born people dont have the skills for.

I don't think someone should be preferred just because they were born in a country over someone who legally lives in a country but happened to be born elsewhere.

obieone Yes, I do think it's a disgrace when someone has been accepted as a citizen but is not treated equally.

Oh and TrueBlue I respect your oppinions and input are as valid as anyone elses.Petra wasn't criticising it from what I could tell.Just preparing you for either a withering response,or in my experience being totally blanked.

Puts a different perspective on this.

www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/07/which-eu-country-has-the-largest-number-of-citizens-living-overseas/?utm_content=buffercb404&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

I'm pretty sure we'll before Brexit I had to give the same sort of details on forms to our local council when applying to do adult education course, and even when applying for a permit for the tip for my van !Well certainly remember commenting to DH about the amount of information about our household required.But as I live in an area that has welcomed first and second generations of immigrants decades ago ,and our council has printed information in multiple languages over the years perhaps that information is genuinely very useful to them.

A certain A.Hitler made a big deal of distinguishing people who belonged to a nation, and those who merely worked there, but didn't belong to the nation. I think it was in Mein Kampf. Sounds a bit like Amber Rudd's suggestion.

Am I interpreting your post right. You think it is disgraceful that an Australian-born person should get an Australian teaching post before a non-Australian born person?

Smileless Is it actually enshrined in law that Australian-born applicants for teaching posts have priority over naturalised citizens? If so, I think it is disgraceful. If not, I think it should be challenged.

In any event, I certainly wouldn't hold up Australia as a shining example of how to run a country. Paul Stevenson, a well respected psychologist working with trauma victims, who was awarded the Order of Australia medal for helping victims of the Bali bombings, has said that nothing he witnessed was as bad as the treatment of asylum seekers in the Nauru and Manus detention centres. Amnesty has also spoken of the "appalling abuse and neglect of refugees".

Fortunately, business leaders do not agree with the government on this.

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/05/government-faces-backlash-from-business-leaders-over-foreign-workers

I wonder if it will fizzle out.

Different country, Smileless.
We have always welcomed foreigners. Now the rhetoric is changing, and it's getting nasty.
Why is your son in Australia?

Sorry, but I don't know what all the fuss is about. Our DS has been living in Aus. for over 3 years, he's a teacher, a very good one. Spent 5000 dollars to obtain Aus. citizenship and is yet to obtain a permanent teaching position because if an Ausy. born teacher applies, they always get the post.

As he says 'that's just the way it is'.

This smacks of post BREXIT hysteria to me.