Brexit and power to the people

You reckon the North East will vote Conservative, do you, roses?

What do you base that on?

Labour being out of touch with the Labour voters.

There are other parties.
However, Labour aren't out of touch with Labour voters in my area. You shouldn't believe everything you read in the Sun or the Times, or even the DM.

I've been out all afternoon. I'm glad to see that we seem to have established that the judiciary is, quite rightly, an unelected, non political, arm of the constitution.

I said your post was nonsensical, POGS, because you seemed to be confusing the judiciary with the House of Lords.

@Jalima

Something was wrong with the sound on the video, but I watched it and somehow I don't think Labour will be winning it any time soon, although I looked up the 2010 results and the combined Labour/LD vote was higher than the Conservatives.

I was thinking of the constitutional issue. There was a majority for Remain and Rees-Mogg talks about stuffing the Lords with 1000 new members. What about the 'will of the people'?

I'm afraid I find Jess Phillips incredibly irritating and I can't really take what she says seriously either. A dinner party with her and Rees-Mogg would be my idea of hell!

@dj

Well, I suppose the North Sea might turn to wine! (Just as likely that the North East will vote Conservative - UKIP is more likely.)

If the voters in the North East who voted to Leave, feel that only the Conservatives Will deliver on Brexit, then if there was a snap GE, they may well vote that way.Voting UKIP will not help at that stage.Labour certainly got them wrong about Leaving the EU after all.At the moment, it's anyones guess as to what would happen.

So save some of that wine for me!

The Conservative Party itself is split on Brexit. Even some of those who are supportive don't like the way things are heading and they don't like being left out in the cold by May and her little band.

It would be interesting to know what people in the North East (and anywhere else for that matter) though Brexit would actually mean. If it's true that it was partially a protest vote against a public school-educated, London-centric elite, who are as distant as any Brussels bureaucrat, I can't honestly see the Conservatives picking up many votes in the area.

Maizie d. 17.25

I will respond to your further post to myself by using your own kind words to me yesterday.

MaizieD Sat 05-Nov-16 12:31:14
I'm not taking it any further, POGS. You've already had my answer. You not liking it and repeating the question doesn't make me change my mind. It didn't work when my children tried the same tactics, either.

daph that's one reason that May will be reluctant (apart from quite a few others) to call an early election. It would expose the huge rifts that there are in the Tory party.

I wasn't actually asking you a question, POGS. My response which you quote was to being asked the same question over and over again.

In my post of 17.25 I was merely explaining why I'd said your post was nonsensical. Didn't really expect a reply...

ddill I didn't put on the link with any serious intent, just found it amusing. - mildly

Try watching this, daphne, if you haven't seen it before.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEC0R_71ozU

It's Owen Jones talking to Michael Sheen about why people voted Brexit. It could be similar in the North East.
Although people in South Shields might have voted Brexit, they still identify as Labour. I was surprised in the British Legion Club that only two others admitted to voting Tory.

Why would you be surprised that only 2 people in the RBL club voted Tory?

I would be surprised if everyone in our conservative club voted Tory.

After all, the beer is a lot cheaper in there.

Talking of Trump, Sheen said 'what he has tapped into is still there'. Very very true! That's what I meant on the other thread about the voters' motivation still being there, even if UKIP implodes. Love Sheen's description of UKIP as 'a bunch of monkeys'.

From what I can understand, Sheen talks sense. I think it's very sad, because I really don't think people from places like Port Talbot, the North East, Stoke or any of the other 'abandoned' places are going to benefit at all.

Because I thought all the Tories would be in there, as they don't have a Conservative Club for cheap beer. He met the Tories in an ice cream parlour.

Sorry, that was to Jalima, not you, daphne.

Yes, I agree. Michael Sheen has obviously thought very carefully about things, more than a lot of those who commented on the video.
Have you heard that Clinton has been cleared of any illegal stuff in the latest lot of emails. Of course, Trump says it shows it's rigged. Hopefully people will see through that.

Did you hear Farage having to admit to Gina Miller that the referendum vote was only advisory?

I thought he came close to inciting riot yesterday. It wouldnt take much to encourage a particular element

And then this report comes out today. I think some of us knew it, but it's good to have it confirmed that the Tories set out to destroy the working class.

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/06/half-of-uk-deficit-is-result-of-job-destruction-in-older-industrial-areas

Obviously they did not realise what would happen to the workers once the jobs had gone.

Could this be another court case for Brexiteers?
Keir Starmer used to be the DPP. I wonder if he will be asked for his view.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/07/brexit-cps-considers-complaint-that-leave-campaigns-misled-voters

He was on the Today programme on Radio 4 this morning, defending the independence of the judiciary and the sovereignty of Parliament.

There was never ever any doubt that those promises were fraudulent and broke British Law - so glad the CPS agrees.

It is illegal under the 1983 Representation of the People Act to use "any fraudulent device or contrivance" to have an "undue influence" on voters.