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whitewave Fri 14-Oct-16 08:18:55

Really interesting court case and day 1 of "The Royal Prerogative"

It basically boils down to whether a minister -in this case Amino 1 - can remove rights established by an act of parliament.

It raises questions of "fundamental constitutional importance about the limits of the power of the executive"

Pannick, QC for the challenger, said " this court is not concerned with the political wisdom of withdrawal" "The government was wrong to suggest the legal challenge was merely camouflage to prevent Brexit"

Pannick's client the court was advised had again received threats, abuse and insults.

A further QC - representing the people
Argued" the constitution of our parliamentary democracy, unwritten as it is , is predicated on the sovereignty of parliament and the courts working as arbiter. Notification of withdrawal leads to the removal of the rights of UK citizens.
Chambers QC argued that the referendum did not replace the UK system of parliamentary democracy"
If the government triggered A50 it would be setting itself up as "de facto legislature"
This is a case about what is legally required, not what is legally expedient.

Good ain't it?

Jalima Mon 07-Nov-16 18:41:38

Because I thought all the Tories would be in there, as they don't have a Conservative Club for cheap beer. He met the Tories in an ice cream parlour.
grin

Jalima Mon 07-Nov-16 18:42:05

ps I wish we had one of those, sounds lovely
but fattening

durhamjen Mon 07-Nov-16 19:10:35

Quite a lot of them up here, Jalima. There's even an American one in Seaham.
Most are Italian in the seaside towns.

Welshwife Mon 07-Nov-16 19:45:18

Wales has nice Italian ones too - even in shopping malls now.

durhamjen Mon 07-Nov-16 23:39:51

Did you watch the Victorian Slum tonight?
It was Brexit 110 years earlier. Foreigners coming in taking our jobs and houses.

whitewave Tue 08-Nov-16 05:11:21

After Brexit the anti-immigration will be moaning about the rest if the world coming here. That's if there's jobs to come to..

magpie123 Tue 08-Nov-16 08:16:52

Gone quiet on here no mention of David Davis putting Clegg, Starmer, Miliband and a few others in their place.

MaizieD Tue 08-Nov-16 08:22:12

Did he?

Commentators I saw said he had nothing new to say.

daphnedill Tue 08-Nov-16 08:38:23

I saw the interview too. I wouldn't call it 'putting them in their place'. It was bluster and hot air. What's their place anyway? They're democratically elected MPs in parliament. They have a right to know what's going on and have some input.

What do you think the government is hiding, magpie? Why wouldn't they want to be more transparent? Would it have anything to do with not guaranteeing workers rights, etc?

magpie123 Tue 08-Nov-16 09:46:58

I forgot to mention also the ghastly Emily Thornberry and the snivelling bunch of SNPs. They just want to derail Brexit. Well Brexit is going to happen and I have faith in the PM and her team.

trisher Tue 08-Nov-16 09:52:57

Than goodness somebody believes in them. I think they have difficulty sometimes in believing why they are there and what they will be able to achieve themselves. It's a bit like Alice they have to believe at least one impossible thing everyday.

granjura Tue 08-Nov-16 11:15:43

Yet another tragic effect of Brexit- first Marmite and then

www.bbc.com/news/uk-37904703

LOL - thank goodness our Toblerones in Switzerland will remain the same smile at last one bit of good news for us x

trisher Tue 08-Nov-16 12:28:57

Oh no I've just thought will Brexit result in higher prices for Belgian and Swiss chocolate? Should I contact Theresa and demand it is written into any agreement that chocolate prices must remain the same? Did the leavers realise this might happen?

POGS Tue 08-Nov-16 12:32:03

I keep reminding people that we have found the pound rate in a similar position in 2008/2009 but we had the bankers to blame then and now some blame Brexit.

Did Toblerone, Walkers, Marmight costs become an issue in 2008/2009 when the pound rates were lower than as of today? I can't remember.

June 20091.1354
May 20091.117
April 20091.0656
March 20091.1324
February 20091.129111 February 2009
February 20091.0666
January 20091.0768
December 20081.076822 December 2008

www.theguardian.com/business/2008/dec/14/euro-economic-policy-currencies-europe

'Pound slips below Euro'
• £20 buys only €18 at UK exchange

I think we as buyers in the UK have been well aware of our 'shrinking' bars of chocolates way before the Referendum result to be honest. I also believe that Store Brands will thrive and eventually the bigger brands will loose revenue because they are passing on the costs of the fall of the pound to the consumer , sometimes raising the cost and making the product smaller.

Will Toblerone, Marmight, Walkers reduce the price or make their products bigger if the pound rises. Hmmm

durhamjen Thu 10-Nov-16 19:55:18

I'd heard it was to make it easier for us weak Brits to break off each triangle, granjura.

Jalima Thu 10-Nov-16 19:58:42

Or helping us to retain our teeth grin

rosesarered Thu 10-Nov-16 20:15:08

It's oversweet and hard to bite into......I prefer Maltesers.smile

granjura Thu 10-Nov-16 21:51:24

Agreed- we only buy the black version- original far too sweet.
You are supposed to break it up - not bite into it ;)

rosesarered Thu 10-Nov-16 21:52:41

Oh, so I lost my teeth for nothing then?grin

Anya Thu 10-Nov-16 22:30:38

It's painful to eat. Why would anyone want to eat chocolate that hurts you?

thatbags Thu 10-Nov-16 23:00:37

When I worked in Thailand Toblerone was the only decent chocolate I could get, and only then at the duty free shop on the Malaysian border. I also bought dry martini there. Both had to last me a month. Except they didn't.

If you're dedicated enough you can work out a painless way to eat it ?

merlotgran Thu 10-Nov-16 23:11:04

When I was small my older brother told me that the taste of Toblerone was like licking an ashtray so I tried it - the ashtray, not Toblerone. shock

POGS Fri 11-Nov-16 09:19:52

I asked on the 8th

"Will Toblerone, Marmight, Walkers reduce the price or make their products bigger if the pound rises. Hmmm"

The pound has risen and we at least should have 2 pyramids back. Perhaps they could have a 'rates' bag attached to the bar and if the pound goes up or down they could put in how many pyramids make up the loss or gain.

We could of course as consumers have Toblerexit or Marmexit. grin

rosesarered Fri 11-Nov-16 10:04:42

That's the problem, we never get more in the good times, do we?
I like Marmite on toast but am happy to have Toblerexit.grin

durhamjen Mon 14-Nov-16 01:16:46

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