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Brexit and power to the people

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whitewave Fri 14-Oct-16 08:18:55

Really interesting court case and day 1 of "The Royal Prerogative"

It basically boils down to whether a minister -in this case Amino 1 - can remove rights established by an act of parliament.

It raises questions of "fundamental constitutional importance about the limits of the power of the executive"

Pannick, QC for the challenger, said " this court is not concerned with the political wisdom of withdrawal" "The government was wrong to suggest the legal challenge was merely camouflage to prevent Brexit"

Pannick's client the court was advised had again received threats, abuse and insults.

A further QC - representing the people
Argued" the constitution of our parliamentary democracy, unwritten as it is , is predicated on the sovereignty of parliament and the courts working as arbiter. Notification of withdrawal leads to the removal of the rights of UK citizens.
Chambers QC argued that the referendum did not replace the UK system of parliamentary democracy"
If the government triggered A50 it would be setting itself up as "de facto legislature"
This is a case about what is legally required, not what is legally expedient.

Good ain't it?

durhamjen Mon 17-Oct-16 14:20:51

No tax as well, Maisie.

whitewave Mon 17-Oct-16 15:15:16

Oh transportation! That would do me.

Dear oh dear and we vote for these idiots

Jalima Mon 17-Oct-16 15:50:30

They can transport me to Australia, saves me saving up for months and months.
What do I have to do?

Oh, I forgot, the Australians won't let you in if you have a criminal conviction

trisher Mon 17-Oct-16 15:56:16

I quite like the idea of the Cayman Islands. New Zealand might be nice if Australia isn't possible. "beyond the seas" gives a lot of scope doesn't it?

durhamjen Mon 17-Oct-16 15:59:57

I need somewhere with a good health service. Any ideas?

trisher Mon 17-Oct-16 16:04:01

Oh I hadn't thought of that I was thinking about the weather. I know someone from Croatia who insists they have a better health service than we do- no waiting times.

whitewave Mon 17-Oct-16 16:04:32

Free at the point of delivery? Limits you a bit

Tegan Mon 17-Oct-16 17:01:39

I think us remoaners will all be sent to Gibraltar. If we don't all try to sit/lie down/breathe in/out[?] at the same time we might fit in.

whitewave Mon 17-Oct-16 17:21:19

I hate Gibraltar!! Anyway it will be given to Spain as part of the negotiations!

durhamjen Mon 17-Oct-16 18:59:29

Better than the Tower of London.

nigglynellie Mon 17-Oct-16 19:00:36

Gibraltar can't be given to Spain under any circumstances unless the people of Gibraltar specifically agree, and Judging from Gibraltarian friends, hell will freeze over sooner than that happening! Read the Treaty of Utrecht 1713 to clarify. Why do you hate Gibraltar? Has it or its population done you down in some way? If not surely a rather sweeping statement!

durhamjen Mon 17-Oct-16 19:28:51

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-councillor-demands-a-treason-charge-for-anyone-supporting-eu-membership-a7365916.html

No free trips anywhere. He's been suspended.

trisher Mon 17-Oct-16 22:13:11

So disappointed. I was really looking forward to a trip "beyond the seas" Can we start a petition to get him reinstated?

durhamjen Tue 25-Oct-16 12:42:45

Power to the people.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/10/25/why-th-end-of-the-canadian-trade-deal-is-good-news/

Theresa May is going to find it increasingly difficult to get agreements with all the EU countries now CETA has all but gone.

www.ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/wp/16-03CETA.pdf

An academic paper showing how the people would not benefit from CETA.

Granny23 Sun 30-Oct-16 12:36:19

Here is a suggestion to suit Gibraltar et al.

www.euroweeklynews.com/3.0.15/news/on-euro-weekly-news/uk-news/141726-why-doesn%E2%80%99t-england-just-leave-the-uk

Would keep everyone happy (except maybe the Welsh)

whitewave Sun 30-Oct-16 13:01:43

niggly

I really dislike it there. Hot, dusty overbuilt, crowded, Architecture naff. The thought of living there would fill me with horror .

POGS Sun 30-Oct-16 13:10:17

durhamjen

"Theresa May is going to find it increasingly difficult to get agreements with all the EU countries now CETA has all but gone."

Just goes to show we shouldn't believe all we are told.

Te Canada EU Trade Agreement , CETA, has just been signed!

durhamjen Sun 30-Oct-16 14:18:57

www.patients4nhs.org.uk/the-eu-ftas/

Are you happy about it?

durhamjen Mon 31-Oct-16 18:08:18

'If the EU parliament votes to ratify CETA, the deal will then be 'provisionally implemented' as early as 2017. This means that the parts of the deal that are deemed to affect European law and not national law will be implemented. But to come fully into force, CETA must still clear some 38 national and regional parliaments in the EU in the coming years.

The parliament of Wallonia, the French-speaking Belgian region which has already opposed CETA and postponed the signing, has been promised that they will be able to stop the ratification of CETA when they get a formal vote on it. Unless there are substantial changes, they – and hopefully other parliaments – will use that veto.

What’s more, the whole ‘corporate court’ concept will now go to the highest European court to rule on its legality – something which risks invalidating the EU’s entire trade agenda.

We still have a chance to stop CETA when the EU parliament votes on it.'
From www.globaljustice.co.uk

durhamjen Mon 31-Oct-16 18:09:14

Sorry, www.globaljustice.org.uk

durhamjen Mon 31-Oct-16 18:15:16

From an email sent by my MEP.

www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2016/oct/28/lessons-be-learned-ceta-debacle

whitewave Thu 03-Nov-16 10:39:31

Power to the people!!!!!!

Court ruling that May can't trigger A50 without parliamentary approval.

Our rights cannot therefore be stripped from us without our say!!

Good

TriciaF Thu 03-Nov-16 11:05:10

Very good news! The govt. are planning an appeal.
I was just going to post this link:
www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37857785

rosesarered Thu 03-Nov-16 11:13:48

Actually, you mean power to a small group of people with vested interests, who are challenging the referendum upon a point of law.Had the Remain side been the majority would you have seen it as 'power to the people' if the same group had brought this appeal? All this is doing, is possibly tangling up the leaving process for years, and in doing so will be very bad for the economy as it involves yet more uncertainty about things and puts off triggering article 50.
Parliament need to put something in place as fast as possible to stop this happening.

daphnedill Thu 03-Nov-16 11:18:55

What vested interest do the people who brought the court case have?

It's now going to the Supreme Court. Whatever the outcome, it's an important constitutional issue beyond Article 50.