Brexit and power to the people

Ironically that might happen ginny

Magna Carta says we can't be in the EU, let's stick with that.

It's about the "Separation of Powers" i.e. Royal Perogative versus Parliamentary Powers (I think).

Well that certainly figures as 'free movement' has increased the population of Gr Britain to a degree that has seen people without accommodation,schools full to the brim and the NHS? what NHS.?

Today is the anniversary of the last great uprising in the UK, the Newport rebellion by the Chartists in 1839.

Newport's mayor was knighted for crushing the rebellion. The leaders were sentenced to being hung drawn and quartered, but the sentence was commuted to transportation for life by Queen Victoria.

I learned that in the TV series "Victoria" - amazing what you can pick up from TV- and was horrified to realise that death for treason by hanging, drawing and quartering was still on the statute book in the (nearly) mid 19th century.
I appreciate it was early on in Victoria's reign, but how medieval and barbaric especially when you look at the considerable scientific, social and technological advances of the later Victorian era.

Remember this from the official information?

"This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide. If you're aged 18 or over by 23rd of June and are entitled to vote, this is your chance to decide." ("You" is the collective 'you', of course.)

Don't forget, a referendum is only an indication of the wishes of the voters; it does not have to be acted upon, as any lawyer will tell you.
I suspect we will have years of fudge and end up back at square one.

Yes 'only an indication of the wishes of the voters' so not important

Voters delegate political decision-making power to parliament as a rule. Sometimes parliament delegates political decision-making power back to voters like in the referendum we just had.

The cake and eat it attitude of some MPs is annoying.

Gina Miller has had rape and death threats.

www.ibtimes.co.uk/gina-miller-receives-rape-death-threats-online-after-high-court-ruling-article-50-1589840

An MP. Stephen Phillips, has quit because of his differences with the government Brexit policy.
I've checked him on theyworkforyou, and he is a QC and has been working at the same time as being an MP, earning £180,000 over the last year. Being an MP was just pocket money.

Question if referendums are only 'advisory' why the hell doesn't Sturgeon say the Scottish Independence Referendum was only 'advisory' .

Question.

The Scottish referendum was accepted as a vote for 'NO' by a percentage of 55.30% NO. 44.70% YES.

NO2,001,926(votes)55.30 %
YES1,617,989 (votes) 44.70 %

The EU Referendum was accepted as a vote for LEAVE by a percentage of 52% LEAVE. 48% REMAIN.

LEAVE 17.410.742 (votes). 52%
REMAIN. 16.141. 241 (votes). 48%

Why is one Referendum deemed legitimate and the other advisory???

Question

Sturgeon repeats the fact Scotland as a country voted to REMAIN in the EU referendum but the referendum was a decision by the voters of the United Kingdom , NOT one country.

Sturgeon repeatedly states the vote in Scotland was 'decisive' a ' higher percentage 'voted REMAIN, yet the principle of a democratic vote and a 'higher percentage' vote to LEAVE is apparently NOT 'decisive'.

Why?

A democratic vote took place for the ' population of the UK' as a whole and a higher percentage voted LEAVE . How can that not be 'decisive'?. You can't keep spinning results to suit your ends , at some stage that simply becomes implausible and goes against the principle of accepting as 'decisive' the majority vote wins.

£95,000 pledged already for the crowdjustice fund.

"Why are you cross about yesterday?" asked James, "when the British people, who like you want British parliamentary sovereignty and British law applied by British judges in British courts...so you're really cross about something happening that is exactly what you want."

Good quote, granjura. Why can't Brexiters see that it's what they asked for? Power to the people, through the people's courts.

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/constitution/news/80500/gina-miller-hits-back-hatred-and-anger-online-trolls

She's also had masses of racist abuse. Not proud to be British again.

Exactly POGS it's all down to what some people wish to hear.

But the NO vote in Scotland meant nothing had to be done, or changed. If the YES votes had won by a similar margin, think of how complex their 'divorce' from the rest of the UK would be.

You can bet your life someone would soon have been challenging the legality of the referendum in that case!

I thought the Remoaners were the apogee of ungraciousness in defeat until I saw them in what they thought was 'victory'.

Lily You ain't seen nuthin' yet , they haven't really got going at the moment, so expect much more.

They're already gloating - don't recall any Brexit voters doing so after the referendum!

I would think the 'vested interest' many people have in the outcome is to find out EXACTLY what Brexit means in terms of both their every day lives as well as in terms of investment and business for the UK/Europe.

At the very least Parliament will, or should, ask for a clear (as clear as is possible anyway !) manifesto of events ...i.e. EU citizens living and working in Europe ....and UK citizens living and working, or retiring, to mainland Europe ....and their rights following the exit of the UK .....trading terms and arrangements, and the likelihood of costs increasing. The problems of Gibraltar.border with Spain, Irish borders ......(and maybe Scottish borders eventually !!) ....nothing is clear and nothing has been explained. Its all very well for the PM to inform people that she is not prepared to give a running commentary, but SOME idea would help people plan for their future. I watched QT last night, and I could not believe the people who shouted 'The UK voted OUT so why aren#t we out' ...why haven't you triggered Article 50 ? You said this, you said that (to the |Politicians on the Panel) ...how ignorant is that ?! of course it was never going to be instant as some people thought it would be ......for the promises alone, which were obviously hype that could never be achieved (millions more each week for the NHS ...closed border immediately !) this is what the people wanted to hear ,,,and so they believed it, Throughout history wars have been caused because lies have been told by seemingly charismatic idiots ...wherever there are people who feel aggrieved and left behind in terms of wealth and lifestyle so they wanted to believe ...whereas all the three musketeers seemed to regard the referendum as a bit of a 'jolly jape, what !' with their painted busses and ranting and raving .....no wonder they have gone to ground ! With dear Boris as foreign secretary what next ? WWIII I shouldn't wonder ......even some people who voted OUT are now thinking they made mistake .....so what hope for the rest of us ? I think the ultimate decision should be left to the EU and M. Junker ...who would have us all out and the gate slammed shut afterwards ,,,to teach any other EU member state a lesson ...for which we will all suffer ! Power to the People ?? not such a good idea...

Well, we didn't have to wait long.Told you Lily
yes, lets have the nice Mr Junker decide our fate shall we? without any input or bargaining at all.

Well at least some of us tried- we explained, again and again- what Article 50 is about and how the process works. We gave links, and videos of Senior European Law experts - and they all explained that very clearly. But you said you didn't want to read links, or watch videos, or listen to experts-

but they were very clear about the process. A member leaving the EU has no right at all in taking part in the negotiation process.