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roses,

I think you'll find that many of the major non-UK European newspapers have English language versions. It's interesting to read other people's views, especially those writing from a different perspective.

Pogs did ask me what was the feelings here now. It is an inescapable fact that if you read French, German, Italian, etc, newspapers - you'll get a very different picture and take.

I know this will make some of you boil- but it is true, so here it is. The UK is currently the laughing stock all over Europe ... not the referendum as such- but the fact the Government has absolutety not a clue on hos to proceed, are totally divided and back stabbing each other - whislt the pound, our services and industries are going down the chute fast. Sad, tragic - true. But you are of course totally free to ignore this and just say 'so what? Independence lalala'.

Hmm, about The Express - apparently its political alignment is:

Hard Eurosceptism
Right-wing populism
UKIP

Whereas the Daily Mail's is only Conservative - so you may have a point, Daphnedill!

'So what? Independence lalala

It's not 'tragic', granjura, and I for one couldn't care less whether the UK is the laughing stock of Europe.

When are you next travelling to Europe, petra?

How sad, Ana. I thought Brexit meant we were outward looking, not becoming more insular.

And that is the problem indeed I find it tragic and so many do too, here, there and anywhere.

Not at all sad - why should the UK be ashamed?

Perhaps if Switzerland's negotiations with the EU had gone the way they'd wanted they wouldn't be so bitter towards the UK now...

durhamjen 27th of this month. Driving down to friends in Bordeaux then on to Spain. Why?

Who mentioned Switzerland being 'bitter' against the UK? Never said anything of the sort, did I?

What is so tragic, is that the UK is now totally divided - and so is the Labour and the Tory party. The Libs dems with Clegg and Farron seem to be the only ones with a cool head at the moment. The UK is just as divided as GN and worse, to the point where no intelligent, educated or informed debate, has become impossible. Tragic and sad- and really destructive.

I won't reply for a while- there is just not point. Un dialogue de sourds - we call it in French.

Oh, get over yourself.

granjura. 20.35

"Pogs did ask me what was the feelings here now."

Yes I did but with all due respect not about the feelings of the UK/Brexit situation, I think I am well aware of your view on that.

I was specifically enquiring what the feelings were of the Swiss people with regard to the problems caused by the Swiss Referendum and the European Union. e.g is it dead in the water or ongoing, what is the mood of 'the swiss' people, will Switzerland dare to go against the EU or the Swiss peoples referendum vote.

Brexit and The Swiss Referendum outcomes are a 'tad' similar. Although Switzerland is not a member of the EU it has to abide by the Free Movement of People in it's agreement for trade with the EU. The outcome of the Swiss Referendum vote means like the UK the Swiss Government will either have to abide by the peoples referendum or submit to the EU, either way like the UK there will be a problem because of the insistence of Free Movement of People by the European Union.

It's a case of trade takes a back seat to the enshrinement of the EU mantra for the free Movement of People . A point I keep repeating I find not only pathetic but causing a problem for many countries in the EU to continue to have the will to go along with.

Welshwife

I thought you were muddled.

Just bad losers. Get over it. We're out. No one should assume that we were not clear on what we voted for. That's insulting.

Going to put us in the tower, are you?

No, we need to carry on asking you why you voted to leave, because lots of people are changing their minds now.

Exactly POGS Can you imagine what a lot of countries are thinking Re these trade agreements. I would love to be a fly on the wall in those private meetings in Brussels.
I wonder how worried the French are regarding their wine exports to us. I have several friends and family who deliberately buy other than French.
Christingle keep reading, the insults fly thick and fast.

You don't 'need' to ask anything anything of the sort.

I thought it was as plain as the nose on your face why we want to leave.

Strangely, Theresa May doesn't seem to know.
She's going to tell EU advisers that we are more concerned about immigration (38%), whereas most people asked want to stay in the single market (48%).
The two are incompatible.

granjura has departed the thread.Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

It doesn't matter if anyone changes their mind either way on how they voted, it's done and everybody would do well to accept it.As petra says 'so what? Independence, lalalala'

It doesn't matter what French/German newspapers are saying about Brexit, their own people would maybe like to be offered a referendum as well, ( no chance!)

You really are missing the point, roses. It is possible to comment on a situation intelligently without 'taking sides', which is why different perspectives are interesting.

Your comment about granjura's leaving the thread seems perilously close to bullying.

This thread has descended into a playground bitchfest.

@petra

It's not plain to me at all. Maybe you'd care to explain, petra.

@Ana

The Daily Express' owner, Richard Desmond, is a major funder of UKIP, so it's not surprising that it has become a party propaganda sheet.