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clinton v trump

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Nellsbells Thu 27-Oct-16 14:32:02

he seems to be such a joke that i can't imagine anyone in their right mind voting for him... so what are people voting for?! Is it his racist slurs that attract followers? His disrespect for women?

I know Hillary isn't perfect,but she seems a damn sight better than him...

Luckygirl Thu 27-Oct-16 14:40:20

We have Boris Johnson for Foreign Secretary - that's a joke!

glenda Thu 27-Oct-16 15:30:45

He's just so vile.

And I also agree with you Luckygirl

LyndaW Thu 27-Oct-16 15:32:13

Well, our own politics aren't squeaky clean either. But. It's the crazy time and money and effort spent on these elaborate campaigns that get me. Everyone's just getting more and more crazed, I can see the losers being quite incapable of accepting the vote whichever way it goes. Although saying that I don't think I'd accept it if Trump wins either. Who are the women supporting him is what I want to know? confused

Nellsbells Thu 27-Oct-16 15:36:05

Exactly, what is it in his demeanour, his manifesto, that says to women 'I want him to represent me' confused the mind boggles.

And what will actually change in America if Trump gets in??

Anya Thu 27-Oct-16 15:40:21

Do these symptoms remind you of anyone?

Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from others
Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
Self-perception of being unique, superior and associated with high-status people and institutions
Needing constant admiration from others
Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain
Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs
Intensely envious of others and the belief that others are equally envious of them
Pompous and arrogant demeanor

Nellsbells Thu 27-Oct-16 15:42:41

<gulp> I want to say it begins with...H?

Anniebach Thu 27-Oct-16 15:47:10

They are symptoms of a serious mental illness

Ana Thu 27-Oct-16 15:52:14

Sounds like Hitler at his most megalomaniac stage.

Lona Thu 27-Oct-16 15:55:33

My first husband to a tee!

Anya Thu 27-Oct-16 16:06:35

Does Trump have NPD?

TriciaF Thu 27-Oct-16 17:17:46

Does he have NPD? Very likely, but I think most UK people make the mistake of thinking that the American public/voters are like us. I don't think they are.
They're influenced by their history, including slavery, the "Go West" movement (guns), the Christian ideology of the Founding Fathers, the independence of each state, respect for celebs. in the film industry etc.
Any Grans from USA on here?

Barmyoldbat Thu 27-Oct-16 18:47:50

Sounds just like most politicians

BillieW Fri 28-Oct-16 07:57:07

Democracy is corrupt the world over-- but what do we do? Being ludicrously rich and getting even richer is now an ambition.
All government money comes from people's earnings and ludicrous and numerous indirect taxes, but they have lost the ability to only do what supports the people. It's our money! The rich should not have the power they do they are tax avoiders not payers. Most big spending projects are to support big business, the tax avoiders.

Anniebach Fri 28-Oct-16 08:43:24

Reading Tricia's views on the americans I think we are so like them

Iam64 Fri 28-Oct-16 08:50:36

We are like the American's Annibach, we share a very similar culture, unsurprisingly.
Yes, Donald Trump has a narcissistic personality disorder. No, I don't believe he's like most politicians.
I don't want to rehash or start a polarised discussion on our Brexit vote, we already have a thread for that but I do feel the issues are similar. The Donald has come up with simple solutions to complex problems. He uses inflammatory, offensive language about groups of people he dislikes or blames for America's difficulties. He'll build a wall to keep out Mexicans, he'll stop any Muslim entering the US until the terrorism issue is resolved, he'll stop Isil, he'll make America great again, he'll provide full employment. No policies of course to set out how he'll do this. He hurls every possible kind of abuse at his opponent.
I do hope Hilary wins but share the fears expressed by American friends, that they could wake up to the danger of Trump as president.

Rinouchka Fri 28-Oct-16 10:15:42

I grew up in America and am an American citizen, pay American AND UK income tax( the USA taxes their citizens wherever they live), although I have now lived in Europe for twice as long as I ever lived in the USA. I have also just voted by absentee ballot, as have our dual citizenship children. Don't like some of what Hillary appears to have done but have not hesitated in casting my vote.

Trump, however, appeals to the disgruntled, older( but some younger Americans also like him), the limited in scope( but not necessarily in intelligence, sadly), the anti-government, anti-welfare, anti medicare, racist( but not always openly so) Americans who see themselves as anti-establishment. Watch clips of followers. Many are also women! What appeals, above all, is his wealth( he is mega-rich), a successful businessman( not that successful, but they do not examine his failures), a "celebrity", says what he thinks without filtering, appeals to those who HATE Obama, as well as Hillary. Remember that anything linked to "socialism" =communism in the eyes of the silent majority. They hate "foreigners", despite that fact that most of them started life as such!
I was gobsmacked when a former classmate( not a friend)from high school in NYC and a Trump supporter posted a link on FB with the BNP( not just UKIP). I have not yet blocked her because I want to see how she justifies such leanings.

The multitude of educated friends supporting Hillary( many of whom would have preferred the unelectable but lovely Bernie) all feel positive towards what will be the final result. BUT, I am wary because of what happened with BREXIT. There are many parallels, although many differences, as well. Admiration( of wealth and tax-dodging), fear, hate of the other, conviction of one's own superiority may win out. Let us hope the polls are right, but it isn't over until every vote is counted a d proven to be fairly done......

Wow! Sorry for this long diatribe. Have never submtted this much to GN!

Diddy1 Fri 28-Oct-16 10:18:05

Agree with Anniebach, definately mental instability.

Shortlegs Fri 28-Oct-16 10:21:40

I think the American people will be the losers regardless of who is elected president.

ffinnochio Fri 28-Oct-16 10:31:57

I enjoyed your submission Riniuchka. Having stayed in America recently, it's been interesting to see similar parallels with the recent UK Recerendum.

ffinnochio Fri 28-Oct-16 10:32:55


ExaltedWombat Fri 28-Oct-16 10:34:47

If you're a dyed-in-the-wool Republican, Trump's catch-phrases are appealing.
The danger is that with a Republican president and a Republican Senate, Things Might Get Done. And, when that happens, Things Get Broken. Look at Thatcher.

squirrel5 Fri 28-Oct-16 10:46:12

I just cannot understand , that a country as large as the USA, can only come up with Hillary and Trump,as prospective leaders,my hubby has pointed out to me the different voting system, etc, and all the huge amount of dollars pumped in to their campaigns,will be very interesting!!

Lewlew Fri 28-Oct-16 10:59:53

Rinouchka I am same as you, but gave up hope on getting my absentee ballot from my last state of residence... the town clerk is a dyed in wool right-wing-nut and 'forgets' to send it despite phone calls! My late brother used to pick it up for me before he moved to FL. I took my UK citizenship a few years ago, so unless travelling to the US, my US passport stays in the drawer!

I do hope you are claiming your entitlement to the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion relief. US/UK/Europe have a tax treaty

It was interesting to read about voter apathy now returning in some of the younger generation who are so turned off by the nastiness of politics now. My own family and friends have Trumpers who won't speak to me now. I have never held a gun even though my brother was a police officer. I have no desire to at all.

Try to find a film or TV programme from the US that does not have a gun in it. Ermm... well, except for Big Bang Theory (I think). hmm

I only go back to visit a small handful of people now, or to travel around places not visited when living there. If Trump gets in, we won't be visiting the US for at least the next four years.

Seeing Michelle Obama with Hillary in the news this morning... now I'd for for Michelle! But... maybe family dynasties in office are not a good idea which is why some Democrats don't care for Hillary. But the alternative is sickening. I wonder if Bernie Sanders might have gotten the nomination if he'd been 15 years younger?

Anyways... fingers crossed that voters dump Trump.

Lewlew Fri 28-Oct-16 11:10:00

squirrel5 With press and opposing party intrustion/scrutiny, only the most persistent and/or obnoxious people seem to want to run. Since Watergate, the Republicans have never forgiven the Democrats and it's been an 'us vs them' Congress ever since. Then comes the internet and shock jocks, like Rush Limbaugh.

But even before that... I well remember in 1972 Senator Ed Muskie's torture by the Union Leader. It was no wonder that Colin Powell's wife did not want him to run.

Dirty Trick Behind a Setback

Four years later, with endorsements from most of the nation's leading Democratic politicians, Mr. Muskie was considered a prohibitive favorite for the Presidential nomination. His reputation for probity, many politicians felt, would give him a good chance against Mr. Nixon, who long before the Watergate break-in in June 1972, had been suspected of political dirty tricks by many voters.

As it turned out, such a trick played a role in an incident that helped doom the man from Maine.

All through the New Hampshire primary campaign in 1972, the conservative Manchester Union Leader attacked him, partly on the basis of an anonymous letter accusing him of using the derogatory term "Canuck" in referring to the state's French Canadians. It emerged later that the letter had been sent to the paper by Kenneth W. Clawson, a political aide to Mr. Nixon.

The Union Leader also ran an article that accused Mr. Muskie's wife, Jane, of smoking, drinking and cursing in an "unladylike" way, in a day when the private lives of politicians, to say nothing of politicians' wives, were mostly private.