Theresa May 3

I hardly think that Mair is worried by Gransnet chat......but we all have real lives and many post on Facebook/ Twitter etc and it all adds up to a general gloomy outlook.
Yes, joining the EU had many positives back then and for quite a few years, but the EU was much smaller , in the days before it hoovered up loads of countries and became a huge bloated organisation, had it stayed as it was, there would no doubt have been no need for this referendum.

And far more dangerous, roses, is irresponsible comments by media journalists, people like the hate filled self publicist James OBrien whose career depends on being controversial, as well ass of course actual economists who are as biased as anyone else

The media in all it's forms is a very powerful tool, much more so today than at any time in history.

More division then. Pound crashes -its those pesky remainers fault, Footsie dives - its those pesky remainers fault, immigration rises its those pesky remainers fault.

Leave behind this language of division, and try to work as a team

Its the 'Bremoaner' extremists making that impossible with their inability to accecpt the referensum result and dmigration of Brexiters.
They need to :
Stop suggesting Brexit voters were either 'fools' or 'fooled'.
Stop calling for second referendums
Stop trying to derail Brexit.
Stop talking down Britain and the economy.
Stop prioritising the needs of EU immigrants over British migrants in the EU with this ridiculous call for one sided guarantees.

Accept you lost, and accept you need to work out your priorities and what your side can realistically expect Brexiters may be willing to compromise on.

"to accecpt the referensum result and dmigration of Brexiters"

Correction
to accept the referendum result and denigration of Brexiters.

Actually James O'Brian is anything but how you describe him. He is also sometimes the presenter of Newsnight. He asks pertinent questions and is I admit a bit like a terrier when he does not get an actual answer.
If you are looking to find people who really are hate filled then look at a few of the Facebook groups of Brexiteers - there you will find real hate.

Are you saying there are no 'hate filled' Facebook groups of Remainers, Welshwife?

He is also sometimes the presenter of Newsnight
A sad reflection on the BBC, that they have abandoned politcal neutrality by ever allowing so unrestraindly biased a presenter to anchor their prime news discussion program.

He asks pertinent questions and is I admit a bit like a terrier when he does not get an actual answer
He shouts people down, hurls insults, targets less educated weaker callers for pillorying and cuts off strong well informed opponents. He also abuses his ability to cut off to have the last word.

The U.K. Migrants in the EU actually would be very happy to see the EU migrants getting told they have the right to stay in UK - particularly those married to a British spouse and with children who have UK passports. They have now started supporting each other. There are no dreadful stories of Uk migrants being told to start making arrangements to leave the EU country after years of paying NI and taxes and buying houses etc.
Luckily the UK migrants have a number of MEPs and ministers from other EU countries standing up and saying how the 48% must not be forgotten in any negotiations. That is more than the Govt of the 48% have done.
Apart from that the Remoaners have only been active for 6 months - they have another 39+ years to go to be equal to the moaning period of the Brexiteers.

I see posts from several Remaining Facebook groups and I have seen no really hateful posts - in fact the large groups will not allow it and remove the person! The Brexiteers groups do not seem to do that but encourage it.

I agree with you about James O'Brien, Welshwife. He's no fool and, ironically, used to be an editor at the Daily Express. He's a real journalist rather than a chat show presenter wanting to stroke guests' egos.

I also agree with you about Facebook and the trolls who appear on mainstream newspapers' comments sections. The Indie is one of the worst. They come out in packs.

Welshwife
Theresa May is the one who has suggested making a quick agreement to secure the future of both parties but the EU has refused, although some leaders (from the East I suspect where the migration is very inbalanced to their advantage).

Youree giving a very wrong impression to imply Britain is causing problems.

Oops add on first para:

...would like to do so.

Naturally when he is presenting Newsnight he does not only talk about Brexit. The other presenters of many BBC programmes can hardly be called non biased - indeed Laura kuenssberg was found guilty of cutting film of Jeremy Corbyn and altering the flavour of the report this week.

Have you read any of the reports from EU long term residents of UK - they need to fill in an 85 page questionnaire to start with and some of them were granted leave to remain permanently in UK years ago but given no paperwork as the Govt told them at the time it was not necessary with UK's EU membership.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38305414
I'm with the Lords committee on this one. The EU residents in the UK were not allowed to vote in the referendum. May should be magnanimous and thus gain a small foothold on the moral high ground by granting all those resident last June to remain here permanently with full rights. Goodness knows she needs a few ways to mollify her EU colleagues for this mess.

jess yes

LOL good job Jess is not on our negotiating team , the tough EU negotiators would have her stitched up before it even gets started!

They've already made it clear its hard ball. The BRitish team will have to fight for British interests not seek to mollify! Now who made a big error doing that last century?

Yes he underestimated the extreme right wing, he trusted in their integrity and honesty. That won't happen again.

If the EU follows the rules as set out at the moment - the other 27 countries will all have a member on the committee deciding the terms of the U.K. exit and the U.K. will be told what the deal is - there will be no negotiating.
It might do the UK good to give something and maybe then get something back rather than do as this Govt are doing at the moment which is continually putting everyone's back up!

It would certainly be foolish to trust the "integrity and honesty" of the EU!

These people will negotiate hard and act in their own interests, as must we.

"We'll make your lives a misery". Juncker
"There can be dmocratic choice against EU treaties". Juncker
"We need to build a United States of Europe with the Commission as government and two chambers – the European Parliament and a "Senate" of Member States," Viviane Reding
"Britons are too ignorant about Europe to vote in a referendum."
Reding again

"It might do the UK good to give something and maybe then get something back"

What will do the UK good is to offer something in return for something back!

We've got the EU over a barrel on migrants when we have so many more here than ours over there. Of course they must be used as bargaining chips.

It would be crazy for May to pay any heed to 'Bremoaners' who would like nothing more than for Britain to give away its bargaining chips!

That's my daughters-in-law you are talking about so nastily, Mair, and my grandchildren.

Obviously you do not have anything so disgusting as an EU citizen in your family. Probably couldn't bear to touch one.

Politics of division dj its horrible isn't it?

Some people just don't see the irony, do they, whitewave?