Jo Cox Assassin convicted

@Elegran

Is that why Michael Adebowale killed Lee Rigby?

I am not inside his mind, DD I can only comment on the complicated general effect of someone's whole life history and attitudes on their actions at any given moment

It wasn't just 'at any given moment'. It was well worked out, premeditated. We don't all walk round with guns and knives just in case.
Sorry, but anyone trying to justify the actions of a Nazi sympathiser makes me feel really queazy. In fact, it makes me shudder at what society is becoming.
As James O'Brien said, The DM knew what it was doing.

Jen, yes I read James O'Brian, I didn't disagree with him, I just commented on your claim - James O'Brian says all there is to say , in your opinion Jen he says all there is to say .

I agree covering the trial on page 30, was an insult to the victim , I do not agree the paper should not have printed THEIR views on the reasons which MAY have caused the man to carry out this horrific crime , press freedom? And I have not changed my opinions on the DM

Jen murder cannot be justified , you are no different to the DM, you are sure the man killed because he was a Nazi sympathiser

Sorry, Annie, I go by the court judgment, not the DM. Are you trying to say the judge and jury were wrong?
If the judge had allowed him to make a statement, I doubt whether it would have contained anything but his alt-right convictions, but I don't know.
I doubt whether he would have pleaded anything about the council taking his home away from him or his mother's marriage. Those are excuses that others use because they cannot think that the way society is changing could have anything to do with this man's actions.

The DM could have put forward the explanation that he'd been hearing voices from fairies. It knew it was feeding into the 'immigrants steal our homes' agenda.

Even the DM seems to have had second thoughts.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3969826/Jo-Cox-s-killer-warned-bloody-struggle-white-supremacy-signed-letters-pro-apartheid-magazine-racial-regards.html

Its latest offering points out that he had pro-Nazi, white supremacist leanings even as a young man in his early twenties - possibly earlier.

Nobody knows why he decided to kill Jo Cox. The words he used as he murdered her, what he said at the first court hearing "My name is death to traitors, freedom for Britain” and the collection of white supremacist literature and letters would strongly suggest it was a politically/racially inspired killing.

You could start a fight in an empty room, dj! When it is to assumed that you have the human capacity for rationally reading a post and understanding it can you infer from what t5hey write - and then imply in your rebuttal - that anyone on here is "trying to justify the actions of a Nazi sympathiser" and chastise them for that!

Everyone agrees with you in finding his actions, and his own justification for them, nauseating! Everyone thinks that he is a very nasty man. Not one person, anywhere, has said that they find his explanation an excuse.

Why do we have to have a thread that sets posters against one another? Why do we have to have friction injected into every bally discussion?

No Jen, I have not said the verdict was wrong or the summing up was wrong, it was the opinion of the judge .he did not know what was in the mind of this man though, no one does.

I am pleased you say you doubt and not you know what he may have said if he had been allowed to speak

I think the friction often happens, elegran, because some people think that trying to understand things is the same as justifying them.

Well said thatbags, big difference between trying to understand and justifying . Muder csn never be justified but explanations can be offered

Has anyone claimed he was hearing voices from fairies Daphne ?

Yes, and if the things that cause people to commit murder like that of Jo Cox, maybe, in time, it will be possible to prevent some similar crimes.

"are understood" is missing from my last post.

Researchers work very hard to try to understand the causes of diseases. They are not trying to find a justification or an excuse for the diseases so that they can ignore the havoc they cause, they are trying to devise cures for them.

I agree thatbags, only by learning why is there a chance of preventing such crimes in the future

Cures or preventative measures. You don't find either of these by just accepting a single cause, you keep looking for contributory ones and fatal combinations.

Sorry, elegran, I don't understand your criticism of my post.
I did not say anyone on here, I said anyone. I particularly said about what society is becoming, not GN.
Apart from that, I don't understand.
My room is quite empty as well.

Anniebach I certainly don't think mental illness is just one condition. You really must beware of making assumptions about people's understanding and experience of issues such as mental illness just because they hold a different view.

I'm guessing that many of us on this forum have either personal experience or close relatives or friends suffering from a multiple of conditions, none of whom resort to deadly violence - except against themselves .

Anya, you really must beware of making assumptions on mental illnesses based only on people you know , I don't know any psychopaths but I acknowledge this awful illness has caused people to murder , do I deny this fact because I don't know a sufferer personally ?

True Elegran, we now acknowledge that some who were abused as children go on to be abusers but not all go on to abuse.

I think what anya meant is that not all people suffering mental illnesses are psychopaths. In fact, the vast majority of mentally ill people aren't psychopaths, just as the vast majority of people with other (not saying 'physical' here because our brains are physical too) illnesses aren't.

Correct me if I'm wrong, anya.

It isn't what Anya said thatbags

How to your cure somebody from being a racist?