An oath on British Values?

As you are still teaching do list them

I don't have to teach the national curriculum, although I do teach my grandson decent values, as the family want me to.
For national curriculum British values, you can surely manage to search for them online. That's how I found out.

So you teach your values, I have my values, as some are not shared I repeat, there is no such thing as British values

Except, as I said earlier, schools are expected to teach British values to all children at school as part of the national curriculum. Therefore someone must think there are such things as British values.
How do you know the values I teach my grandson are not the same as those you have?
I don't teach him everything I say on here.
You are just arguing about this for the sake of arguing with me.

www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi2iq-Aj5TRAhVXNVAKHYRlD08QFggxMAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gov.uk%2Fgovernment%2Fuploads%2Fsystem%2Fuploads%2Fattachment_data%2Ffile%2F380595%2FSMSC_Guidance_Maintained_Schools.pdf&usg=AFQjCNE3DVrJwJAuaoNHssEeIVBy86eq_g
A google link to the DES promoting British values as part of the national curriculum.

Sorry Jen, you are mistaken , was it not you who started this discussion sign up again ?

Are you disagreeing with the DES?

Haven't read it.

That's why I didn't put it on earlier, Annie, I knew you wouldn't. No point in discussing with someone who only thinks from her own prejudices.

Pot, Kettle ?

If you put links on, I read them.

Oh, for gawd's sake, you two

Here they are, from the Dfes document

Schools should promote the fundamental British values of democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty, and mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs

I find the last one a bit difficult..

The rest of it, of course, is how they do it, and how they test it.
Very vague, but they are still there.
Has anyone on here taught British values to school classes as per the document?

It is so infantile to think people can just do their own thing. If they were to sign allegiance to the Britiah Flag, learn the language, respect our Chrisian heritage and agree to integrate with the country that takes them in, it would make them think hard about what they are doing coming here. That if they live in a house they respect the people they live among. If they won't do that, let them go somewhere that shares their values,we don't need them, we all need to stand together as a Nation. This is for people of any race or religion.

Actually, Luckylegs, the government is thinking of asking everyone who works in public office to sign an oath of allegiance now.

'Every public office-holder may have to swear an oath of allegiance to British values, Communities Secretary Sajid Javid has indicated.

The pledge would be expected to cover elected officials, civil servants and council workers.

The proposal from Mr Javid is in response to a report on social cohesion by Dame Louise Casey, which warned some sections of society did not accept British values such as tolerance.

He said he was "drawn" to Dame Louise's recommendation to bring in an oath of allegiance because it was impossible for people to play a "positive role" in public life unless they accepted basic values like democracy and equality.'

Where do you suggest those who do not want to should migrate to?

Respect our Christian heritage? There are several members of this forum who don't . As for standing together as a nation, good grief, we are four countries clumped together as one nation, we are not united

Just read your post Jen, seems I will have to migrate, no way will I swear allegiance to a flag of Scotland, Ireland and England

Canada or Norway would suit me fine. I have no intention ever of signing any kind of allegiance to the British flag, because I have no idea what it means. I'm not even sure who or what I'm supposed to integrate with.

If I'm deported for being unpatriotic, it will be a bit of a shame, because family history research shows I haven't had any non-English input into my DNA for nearly five centuries.

Our Christian heritage is dodgy to say the least if you belonged to any church other than the established Church of England you were liable to persecution until the mid 1800s. People have been executed and imprisoned because they didn't conform, are these the Christian values we are promoting?
Personally I am mostly in favour of the old British values of protest and dissension.

Even Elizabeth 1 maintained that her subjects were entitled to privacy over their religious beliefs. I know, I know it doesn't really stand up when you look at her actions, but at least she paid lip service to the idea. That was 500 years ago, haven't we learnt anything - what about the enlightenment? Talk of British values and you will get as many ideas what it means as a concept as population. It is a nonsense. The way to produce an inclusive society is to treat the population with respect and care, to ensure that all are subject fairly to the rule of law, (not just those who can't afford to buy their way out of the system, like tax avoiders).

Exactly! Anybody living in the UK has to abide by British law and that's all that's needed.

Canada or Norway would suit me fine.
When we were on holiday in Cyprus one February we met a lot of Norwegians who had gone for 3 months to escape the Norwegian winter.

Just a thought, of course you may love the cold and snow.

Strange to say there's no such thing as British values, as they have been part of the teaching in the national curriculum for over two years.
I think most of us left school a few years ago now
(53 in my case )

If I'm deported for being unpatriotic, it will be a bit of a shame, because family history research shows I haven't had any non-English input into my DNA for nearly five centuries.

I have, but I'd have to be forcibly deported to live in France.

durhamjen Maybe if our Government want immigrants to abide by British values, those Government ministers need to start abiding by those British values [chgrin]