NHS winter crisis looms

No it isn't - it's all about your UKIP agenda

"When my brother went to medical school over forty years ago, there was already a shortage of GPs being talked about. Seems none of our governments have been good at forward planning."

Very true, and it suited the BMA for many years to keep the supply low because it not only kept salaries high but ensured doctors could enjoy geographical mobility and no unemployment. They have always had the government over a barrel.

Fortunately with the opening of additional medical schools (credit to Labour when credit is due) that situation has changed and they can no longer pick and choose as they please, but its not changed near enough. Train more so that doctors have to compete for good jobs just like other normal mortals.

Whitewave,
Thats untrue my views are mine alone and do not represent any political party.
Are yours?

Gosh! Then it's just coincidence every that you are singing from the UKIP hymn sheet?

WW
Yes coincidence.

Are your views your personal views or are you a party activist?

Which party do you think I may belong then?

Blimey whitewave, you're being rather rude and personal. Is GN just supposed to be a two-Party site?

Which party do you think I may belong then?

So you answer with a question. Interesting.

You could belong to one of several pro EU left wing parties. Do you?

No but I'm irritated.

I shall now do the gracious thing and retire

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Maybe ww your views could be said to be seen through the prism of leftist politics.
I do think your personal remarks to Mair on this thread are definitely rude!

Anybody from any political party ( yes! More than two around) can make comments on here without any sneering at their choice of political party from other posters.

rose yes you are absolutely right, I was a tad irritated with mair. So I have decided my best course is to gloss over any of mairs posts so she doesn't get any more rude remarks from me.

I made that resolution ages ago, whitewave, but it's hard.

My daughter's best friend trained in medicine at Edinburgh. Does Scotland count as a foreign country these days?

(Back to sharing a cuppa with Whitewave behind the parapet.)

In any case, the NHS is underfunded. It doesn't matter where the doctors trained or were born. The NHS pays them all the same and doesn't employ enough of them.

(Milk and no sugar, please.)

Only skimmed I'm afraid daph

Got told off by HQ the first time since I joined in 2011. I must be getting old and crabby.

Nah! We're all getting older, but plain speaking doesn't make one crabby.

fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/

Of course our British students should be given first choice for places at university and medical school. Let's start putting our own young people first.

fullfact.org/health/government-has-misquoted-head-nhs-england-spending-plans/

They don't want to, firecracker, and certainly not in mental health, which is Theresa May's big idea.

fullfact.org/health/fewer-doctors-and-nurses-working-mental-health/

Last night 20 NHS trusts declared black alerts.
Theresa May said yesterday that it was only one or two hospitals that had problems.