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First blood to Trump

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whitewave Wed 04-Jan-17 06:03:50

Trump will be inaugurated in 16 days time. Ford has recognised this new era.

How will his Junta of advisors deal with the political world?

Will Trump continue to govern by twitter?

Will his erratic behaviour stop?

Will he be less muddled in his thinking?

What will happen to NATO and article 5?

Will the world survive his environmental policy - such that it is?

Will America be able to contain him?

Mair Sun 22-Jan-17 18:00:00

About Putin!

Araabra Sun 22-Jan-17 18:37:49

" 'America First' was a movement which campaigned against U.S. involvement in World War II before 1941 and expressed sympathy for the Nazis."

Expressed sympathy for the Nazis was terribly wrong. But the UK did not need to be beholding to the US for their involvement in the war. Better that the US stayed within their continent. Far too many years British struggled to repay, root of today's problems.

orientalreview.org/2015/05/13/wwii-lend-lease-was-the-us-aid-that-helpful-ii/

durhamjen Sun 22-Jan-17 22:33:37

"Donald Trump was elected to bring change. In one way at least he is a cert to deliver: for as long as he serves, the world will never want for a presidential opinion on a controversial topic."

Good quote, this.
Remind you of anyone?

durhamjen Sun 22-Jan-17 22:34:51

Post-truth = alternative facts.

Ankers Sun 22-Jan-17 22:44:35

whitewave. ^ He is seriously suffering from delayed development.^

Did you see this thread?
www.gransnet.com/forums/relationships/1233193-How-Can-Anyone-Diagnose-Another-Person-Mentally-Unless-They-Are-Qualified

MawBroon Sun 22-Jan-17 23:40:41

Heavy sarcasm?
I thought no many unqualified people could spot cases of "delayed development"!

MawBroon Sun 22-Jan-17 23:42:24

This about sums it up grin

MawBroon Sun 22-Jan-17 23:43:17

"No many?"
Many!

Nelliemoser Mon 23-Jan-17 00:20:21

There was one very funny but appropriately rude Trump cartoon passed my eyes on Facebook but I could not find it when I looked again.

whitewave Mon 23-Jan-17 08:50:37

maw love it!! Must post to children -where did you find it?

whitewave Mon 23-Jan-17 09:05:56

Latest Trumpery

Ex-CIA boss angrily denounced Trumps visit to the CIA HQs. Trump spent most of his speech on self aggrandisement -boasting about the crowds numbers who turned out to watch him. More self delusion. However he was talking to some pretty bright bods so I guess they must have tipped a rye grin.

Lewlew Mon 23-Jan-17 10:35:53

Yet he HUGGED Comey (FBI) in the oval office after shaking hands and whispers in the ear... egads, don't be obvious or anything. Yuck. hmm

varian Mon 23-Jan-17 10:54:54

Is that the same Comey who supressed the allegations about Trump while reopening the Hillary email investigation just before the election?

durhamjen Mon 23-Jan-17 10:59:42

A good bit of American Pie here. Just for balance, you understand.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMwjaZouNY

Apologies if it's been on before.

Lewlew Mon 23-Jan-17 10:59:48

Yep... varian
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/james-comey-trump-russia-links-investigation-senate

durhamjen Mon 23-Jan-17 11:05:38

"So, Donald Trump has broken a campaign promise, only 2 days after being sworn in as President. The White House has announced that he will not – contrary to his campaign pledge – be releasing his tax returns, even though it’s long been the tradition for Presidents to do so.

Hardly surprising, as what would be surprising would be for his tax returns not to suggest questionable dealings – although it’s darkly amusing that the best excuse he could come up with was ‘Americans don’t care‘. "

Didn't expect anything else, but he could have waited a bit longer.

Lewlew Mon 23-Jan-17 11:08:57

Well if the US IRS doesn't care (he's probably not having an official audit) ... then I don't. Maybe I will skip filing my taxes this year. hmm

durhamjen Mon 23-Jan-17 11:44:51

He has his first test to see how good a president he is.
Storms in Alabama and Georgia have left 18 dead, and hundreds of houses destroyed. He says "We'll be helping out."
Hope so.

varian Mon 23-Jan-17 12:02:59

If you need a good laugh watch this hilarious Dutch promotional video for Trump

www.youtube.com/results?search_query=even+voorstellen+aan+trump+-+zondag

Elegran Mon 23-Jan-17 13:10:34

grin

whitewave Mon 23-Jan-17 13:23:16

grin

gillybob Mon 23-Jan-17 14:02:09

Never laughed so much in ages varian

I love it!

it's true, I really, really do grin

daphnedill Mon 23-Jan-17 14:21:57

Grab 'em by the pony! grin

Elegran Mon 23-Jan-17 14:36:09

Here is a quote (rather long, sorry, but not everyone wants to follow the link to the page) from "The Threat of Moral Authority" an article in The New York Review of Books on the way that autocratic rulers don't like to be reminded of morality.

"New York, January 2017. The very large, very loud American president-elect unleashes a Twitter fury on an older, smaller man who can and does appear vulnerable in public. The man, Congressman John Lewis, has vowed to boycott the president-elect’s inauguration. Donald Trump attacks Lewis as a man of words, not action—and, as some Americans watch in shocked disbelief while others surely applaud, continues to hound Lewis long after Trump’s usual Twitter attention span would have run out.

In his now familiar way, Trump has come across as clueless, as though he doesn’t know who Lewis is, which district he represents, and more important, what history he represents. But his instincts are guiding him into a confrontation that is hardly new: it is a response that has occurred over and over when an autocratic leader is challenged by the voice of moral authority.

Almost invariably, moral authority seems to be encased in a frail body—perhaps because it takes years and decades, and risk and injury, to amass. Yet the words of certainty, spoken softly, pose a threat to power secured through the conventional means of force and title. No voice other than that of John Lewis could have called forth the number of congressmen—fifty-nine at last count—now planning to boycott the inauguration.

Trump has a keen sense of danger, and though he could never put it into words, he understands the threat Lewis represents. Autocratic power requires the degradation of moral authority—not the capture of moral high ground, not the assertion of the right to judge good and evil, but the defeat of moral principles as such. Once cynicism triumphs, wrote the dissident Václav Havel in a 1975 letter to the Communist leader of Czechoslovakia, “everyone who still tries to resist by, for instance, refusing to adopt the principle of dissimulation as the key to survival, doubting the value of any self-fulfillment purchased at the cost of self-alienation—such a person appears to his ever more indifferent neighbors as an eccentric, a fool, a Don Quixote, and in the end is regarded inevitably with some aversion, like everyone who behaves differently from the rest and in a way which, moreover, threatens to hold up a critical mirror before their eyes.” The majority then stands to applaud his humiliation."

Elegran Mon 23-Jan-17 14:38:13

And another from the same publication, on What Trump Is Throwing Out the Window

I'll spare you a quote from that.

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