Humanitarian Crisis in UK

@roses

You can't be too careful with what you write on here. People have been known to take things literally.

No-one is calling people who want to fix things "demagogues", ankers. Many many people want to fix things - including those who are "in charge" though you doubtless won't believe that. That name is reserved for people like Trump who talk revolution to get thmselves into positions of political power so as to extend the power nthey have in their personal and commercial.

personal and commercial lives.

dd, I have definitely put my head above the parapet in another area of my life.
It has taken probably more than a 1000 hours of my time. There have been a group of us doing it. Others have become ill with the stress[not myself, I seem to not have it touch the sides with me so to speak].
It has also taken more than a year of our lives, while putting other things on hold so to speak.

As regards the hospital, unfortunately, it is many many miles away. And as I am not directly involved with it, it makes the whole situation much more difficult.

In the situation I have just described above, I was in the midst of it so to speak, and had access to all kinds of things, that I would not have access to if I had not been that much involved.And becuase of the grave injustices, many people, including some in the justice system, were willing to help us.

For anyone that is wondering, we won the case. But even then, it all does not end there in some ways. Some people remain in post, and are not willing to give up their ways very easily.

The Freedom of Information requests were used, and were extremely useful.

If I had all the time in the world, I could get involved in several things like that, but I do not.

I am only now getting back to "normal" life so to speak.

But yes, thank you for the idea. Who knows? I may take up your specific idea at a later date.

Listening to some Tory MP on the Jeremy Vine show earlier, and one who used to be a nurse (which makes it worse) I had to turn it off before I crashed the car with anger.

Typical politician, wouldn't answer a question straighten, twisted everything around and sounded so insincere I'm surprised she wasn't struck by a bolt of lightening. Trouble is I remember the Stafford Hospital deaths and inquiry as it's not far from us, and that was under Labour's watch.

It's about time the NHS was taken off the political agenda and a x-party approach was taken

Straighten? Blasted predictive text.

I'm guessing DB from your posts that your favourite GNetters (!) has returned

Very cryptic AnkersAway

Ankers,

Rather than becoming involved in a personal dispute with a hospital, I assumed you were talking about general wastage and incompetence in the systems used. Incompetence is not so easy to address, because employers do have a duty of care to their employees to protect them from bullying. Nevertheless, something should be going on away from the public eye.

If you honestly think/know that there is wastage in the supply chain, you can make FoI requests of your hospital and some of a similar size and similar specialisms and ask specific questions, such as how much the hospital spends on stationery, dressings, etc. You can't ask how much they spend with specific providers, because that's commercially sensitive, but you can ask questions about specific categories of items and, by law, you should be given an answer. If your hospital is spending significantly more than other hospitals, you can challenge them and hold them to account.

Unless you have facts, it's hearsay and nobody will do anything.

Living with the risk of being shot down, blown up, raped, decapitated, kidnapped, married off at 9 or 10 to an old man -
THAT IS A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS

I do dislike it when our speech is devalued.

The NHS is inefficient, unwieldy, paying out huge sums on PFIs, agencies, its own management and needs a huge injection of efficiency and common sense in order to function better.
Yes - from the horse's mouth - an account of how some managers are greedily taking all they can get (paid travel miles to and from work, 1st class brains, planes, hotels) whilst nurses etc have to pay car parking charges at the hospitals where they work.

It may also need more money from one of the sectors using it most heavily - NI from senior citizens to help in home care and thus alleviate the number of old people who could be sent home but are blocking beds.

Sorry - 1st class trains not brains as I doubt some managers have one of those.

I agree Anta and yes, Stafford Hospital was a cause of shame for Andy Burnham and anyone connected with it.

But they all move on, don't they, unlike the relatives of those who died there from neglect.

I agree with you, Jalima, about the use of 'humanitarian crisis'.

Just going to correct you about NHS travel expenses. Until being made redundant, my sister was an NHS manager (formerly a nurse).

Her trust didn't allow first class travel and it's now been banned across the NHS:

www.theguardian.com/society/2014/may/13/nhs-bosses-first-class-travel-take-bus

There are strict tax rules about claiming home to work travel expenses. If you have evidence they're being broken, you should report the people to HMRC, which you can do anonymously.

Anya - sorry!

This thing has a mind of its own today.

Someone's mother is boasting, then ddill
I'm glad to hear it
It was said also that this person will not move (all expenses paid) nearer her work so gets home to work expenses paid.
(Not my area)

Whose mother? I don't know what you're talking about.

So what you've heard is hearsay.

If the person has been compulsorily relocated, it's not uncommon to have some kind of package. That's not the same as paying home to work expenses as a normal process.

I think you will find that the allowances paid to senior executives in the private sector are more than generous. Before you say "oh yes, but we don't have to pay them", indirectly, one way or another we do.

I don't understand why there is so much focus on hospital managers. There may be too many - I don't have access to the figures myself though I appreciate that news reports often cite top-heavy management rather than lack of funding. Every organisation needs managers and with the complication of the marketisation of the NHS there is a great deal of monitoring, reporting and general admin to be undertaken.

I doubt that any NHS managers can even come close to the sort of remuneration that CEOs and other senior executives are awarding each other in the private sector. On Wednesday 4 January it was reported "The High Pay Centre has dubbed today "Fat Cat Wednesday", after finding that bosses will rake in the median salary of £28,200 by midday." So in 3 days, top earners had already earned what the average worker earns for a whole year's work. And these are often the very people who use every device possible to avoid paying their fair share of tax.

"Over the next few days we're calling on all local groups and campaigns to do an emergency action at a local hospital.

In London this Thursday, we're organising an emergency rally at the Department of Health from 6pm.

Hunt Must Go - Rescue Our NHS
Emergency Protest - 6pm, Department of Health, Whitehall London
Invite your friends on Facebook

emergency_protest3.jpg
Organised by Junior Doctors Alliance, The People's Assembly, Health Campaigns Together

Saturday 14 January, Nationwide Day of Action

We're asking local groups and campaigns to set up an emergency rally or protest at local hospitals across the country. A series of leafleting actions for the National Demonstration have been organised already, you can find details on the Facebook event here. If you want to add to the list of flyering sessions and actions please email [email protected] so we can add to the list and promote.

Saturday 28 January

London Rally & Protest - Hands off our NHS 12:30 Old Palace Yard. Invite your friends on Facebook here."

From www.thepeoplesassembly.org.uk

Useful dj

Whose mother? I don't know what you're talking about.
Yes, someone's mother was boasting about what her DD and husband earn as NHS managers, their wonderful expenses packages, how they get 1st class hotels, 1st class travel etc etc etc. So hearsay I suppose.
Some mothers!

"We actually spend a little bit more than the average for rich countries on our health services but we still have 150 avoidable deaths in our hospitals every week we still have weekend provision that's not as good in some places as it could be."

An Express reporter heard Hunt say it, daphne.

Anyone on facebook should be able to keep up-to-date with the peoples assembly actions.

For anyone who thinks this would happen whoever is in charge, read this.

www.nhscampaign.org/NHS-reforms/nhs-funding.html
Information from The Health Foundation and The Kings Fund.

www.nhscampaign.org/get-involved-2/pledge/mp-questions.html

Apparently the four hour waiting target in A & E is only for urgent cases (according to Hunt). Errmm...so what counts as urgent? If someone is taken to A & E as an urgent case (stroke, heart attack, aneurysm, etc) I'd like to think they wouldn't have to wait four hours. Oh, hang on...

Oh well, it must be true, dj

A humanitarian crisis (or "humanitarian disaster") is defined as a singular event or a series of events that are threatening in terms of health, safety or well being of a community or large group of people. ... Humanitarian crises can either be natural disasters, man-made disasters or complex emergencies.
So it isn't devaluing the language.
It is interesting that such a fuss is still being made about the Stafford hospital which horrendous although it might have been was one hospital in a huge system. What is significant about what is happening now is that it is a failure of the whole system and not of one particular trust. What we can expect to see if things go on as they are is Staffords across the whole country