Humanitarian Crisis in UK

You obviously missed it, daphne, because I have just heard him say it.

More lies from Hunt.

'Hunt challenged this saying: ‘In the last parliament we actually had a 5% increase in GPs, this parliament we’re planning the second biggest increase in GPs in the history of the NHS.’

However an official report by the NHS’s information centre, NHS Digital, last year showed full-time GP numbers fell 2% last year and education bosses have twice missed their mandate target to recruit 3,500 GP trainees.'

From pulsetoday.co.uk

All Hunt seemed to do was to stand up, describe what happening, looked back at history and sit down. You didn't get the feeling that he is remotely pro active nor even beginning to work out a cunning plan. How do they take their salary without a twinge of guilt?

I've missed much of the news today, dj. Just reading about it. Hunt seems to have been dishing out plenty of pork pies today. Maybe they were left over from Christmas.

It is interesting that such a fuss is still being made about the Stafford hospital^

I suppose if you didn't know anyone who died there you may not feel the same.

Another Hunt porkie, it's only one or two hospitals.

I know some of you don't like swawkbox, but this is worth reading, about Stafford hospital.

skwawkbox.org/2017/01/09/compare-medias-nhs-collapse-silence-with-made-up-mid-staffs-feeding-frenzy/

If you continue the rest of the post Jalima you would realise that I qualified that statement and that my concerns are to do with how many more people will die because of the present situation. But if quoting me out of context makes you feel better about what is happening feel free to do so.

I think it was the fact that fuss and Stafford Hospital appear in the same sentence.

You have no idea.

I did not quote you out of context, I quoted part of your post which shows what you think of anyone making a fuss - OK to make one now then about what may happen, but not to make one about what actually happened under the last Labour government.

I suppose if the Tories had been in charge then people would be right to use Stafford as an example of what can go wrong. But as it was Labour in charge people are making a fuss.

What a breathtakingly arrogant, insensitive and prejudiced post.

I wonder why you keep trying to make this about Stafford, and aren't prepared to take what an independent well respected charity has described as a Humanitarian Crisis, seriously? If I had lost someone in the Stafford tragedy I hope I would be fighting and demonstrating to ensure it didn't happen elsewhere. We can do very little for the dead but vulnerable people could be protected if enough people protested.

The Francis report said that there was possibly one avoidable death in Stafford Hospital. There were four independent reports done which found possibly six avoidable deaths over a number of years.
It was a fuss. The same fuss wasn't made about Hull Royal where I've seen rats just outside the ward where my dad died.
I never saw similar reports about Durham hospital where my husband was found crawling on the floor.

Many papers that wrote lurid reports about Staffordshire Hospital had to retract those statements, when they wrote that hundreds of people died unnecessarily. The retractions were not on the front pages.

I have to agree Jalima and with such a large amount of people on this forum,it's quite likely that the Stafford Hospital featured tragically in somebody's life.

On the subject of humanitarian crisis, what are The Red Cross thinking of to make such a pronouncement!Ridiculous.
It doesn't matter what the dictionary defines it as, it sounds as if the Red Cross is getting into things that up to now it never has......You have to wonder why.

Political leanings perhaps.

Greece had a humanitarian crisis this year.We have not.

For a good number of years hospitals have been very stretched over the Winter, some years more than others, depending on weather.

The Red Cross are involved because there is nobody else to do it, roses.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/09/nhs-humanitarian-crisis-conservatives-british-red-cross

The number of patients it has had to help to get home has gone up from 60,000 to 80,000 over the last three years.
It gets paid to do this, but it's being treated like an ambulance transport service. If the Red Cross didn't do this, who would?

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/01/09/jeremy-hunt-is-lying-data-shows-january-is-often-the-quietest-time-of-the-year-for-a-e-departments/

Not true yet, roses. January is often the quietest month of the year. Jeremy Hunt lying again.

Well, it gets paid for doing it, it's not being 'used' what would people rather happened?

I would rather we had a properly funded NHS randrwhere people are cared for properly both in hospital and at home. I would prefer not to have to depend upon a charity which could be working in poorer countries if only we had a government which was prepared to spend money on the NHS. It is disgusting that a rich country cannot care for its sick and vulnerable properly.

Making a 'fuss' because your mother, sister, baby died at Stafford as a result of gross negligence? Just get a grip folks that was several years ago. You ought to be 'over it' by now.

wonderful attitude

And does it matter if it was a 'humaritariab' crisis or another kind of 'crisis'?

When is it right to spend the last hours of your life on a trolley, untreated?

Another strange part of Hunt's speech.
He says that only those who need urgent treatment should be seen within the four hours.
Isn't that what happens? It's called triage. All hospitals use triage.

I have used Stafford hospital on several occasions.
My DD was born there quite safely in the mid 80s.
I have had consultations there with out any problems.
However when my father had a major stroke in 2003. My sister and I experienced very difficult times on the occasions when our father was admitted as a patent. (Over several years)
We would do shifts to make sure he had yogurt ,ice-cream (the only food he could manage) and drinks.
I could list all the lack of care problems we had. (But still find it upsetting)
Waiting in a queue with my father on a trolley (sometimes under tarpaulin) and ambulance staff unable to go to next call out as they had to hand him over to a nurse who was never available.
And misdiagnosis
Like every other hospital there was good and bad staff
One of the problems was trying to communicate with nurses with very little English.

The maternity care has always b been excellent and Stafford took in from other hospitals when they were stretched
Both my GS were born at the hospital the care was excellent but it was decided to close the maternity unit so now the other hospital are stretched even further.
Last year my GS had to attend the childrens A&E at Stafford hospital
He was seen immediately and the care was excellent.
But now that dept has been closed because of lack of specialised care doctors & nurses

Stafford hospital now renamed as County Hospital is struggling to attract new medical staff because off bad press
For all its short comings the staff have battled on.
I would still rather go to Stafford hospital than battle up the M6
(hoping its not at a stand still) to Stoke Hospital which is over stretched

Children have go to either Stoke or Wolverhampton. The extra time it take is putting their lives at risk.
Sorry for the long post but its something that is part of our daily lives and not just a story in a newspaper.

Has it struck Jeremy Hunt that the 4 hour target could be easily achieved if there were enough GPs for people with less serious problems.

See what you mean about Stoke hospital, Cherrytree.

"In November, 237 patients waited more than 12 hours to get a bed at the Royal Stoke university hospital, while some ambulance crews were stuck outside hospitals in Merseyside last week for up to eight hours, unable to hand over their patients to A&E staff. A number of trusts – including Lewisham in London, Mid Essex, Addenbrooke’s in Cambridge and East and North Hertfordshire – had to declare a red or black alert on Monday because they were so hard-pressed."
According to Hunt it was just one or two hospitals having problems. Hunt needs to go.