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Corbyn out of hiding

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Anniebach Tue 10-Jan-17 09:08:43

He wants a law to set a limit on wages of high earners !

petra Tue 10-Jan-17 09:32:57

In a speech today in Peterborough ( who voted 60% to leave the eu) he will say that labour isn't wedded to free movement for eu citizens. Also, he will push for fair and reasonable managed migration.
He is sooooo removed from real people that he thinks people won't see through him.

Anniebach Tue 10-Jan-17 09:36:50

It was said before Christmas he was to relaunch himself in January !

Beammeupscottie Tue 10-Jan-17 09:56:12

Re-launch! You mean in the wake of the Titanic?

Anniebach Tue 10-Jan-17 10:00:00

Beam grin

Anniebach Tue 10-Jan-17 10:05:48

He now doesn't want complete freedom of movement

daphnedill Tue 10-Jan-17 10:31:05

There's a theory that the Titanic sank because it swerved to avoid the iceberg, so when it struck, it hit a much larger area than it would have done, if the ship had not tried to swerve and had hit the iceberg head on.

Seems quite a good analogy to me!

rosesarered Tue 10-Jan-17 10:37:25

Corbyn never believed in continuing within the EU, so I think these are his real feelings about immigration.
Does this re-emergence from hibernation mean we will be hearing more pronouncements?

annodomini Tue 10-Jan-17 11:05:26

Who knows what his real opinions are? The Corbyn of old was a well-known left-wing firebrand. This morning's speech seems to see him on the verge of populism. What next?

petra Tue 10-Jan-17 11:05:57

Is this his ' Road to Damascus moment', old English idiom: usually a reversal of some pre- existing ideas or beliefs.

Ana Tue 10-Jan-17 11:08:12

'Mr Corbyn carried out a round of interviews on Tuesday morning apparently designed as an image overhaul to let "Corbyn be Corbyn" and cast himself as a Left-wing, anti-establishment leader.'

According to Sky News

rosesarered Tue 10-Jan-17 11:08:35

Blinded by the light? grin

Anniebach Tue 10-Jan-17 11:12:39

It was said he is 'doing a trump'

rosesarered Tue 10-Jan-17 11:16:58

How very rude! grin

petra Tue 10-Jan-17 11:19:02

* Ana* So if he hasn't been Corbyn, who has he been. It reminds me of that tv programme where they said: "Will the right ...... stand up please" [ grin]

petra Tue 10-Jan-17 11:19:47

Roses lol

petra Tue 10-Jan-17 11:21:53

As I said before: he's the gift that keeps on giving. Mind you, I think the fun could soon end ( on here) nudge nudge, wink wink.

POGS Tue 10-Jan-17 11:34:35

Some believe Corbyn is a so-called principled, honest politician who will remain true to his views.

His view has been widely accepted as 'Free Movement of People', open border policy. This is not written by left/right wing papers or by left/right wing commentator's it is the words that have come from Corbyn himself whilst being interviewed and we have all had the chance to watch.

He is reported today as saying something of an opposite nature on immigration, if he does how is he still a principled, honest politician who is leading the Labour Party in accordance with his party members who have backed him due to his stance on immigration, Trident etc.

Personally I think he has the likes of Keir Starmer who are tuning his head in but should he tune his head in over immigration and what he has said in the past just to get votes? He should stand on a platform that his membership have voted him in on or he is open to be being called a hypocrite. Could he lose the faith of those who have shown utter faith in him being a principled politician.

Personally I think he has to bridge a gap between the Labour membership , his fellow Labour MP's and the wider general electorate and he will have to shift from his principles but he will be a hypocrite if he does, that is the pitfall of being Leader of the Labour Party as opposed to being a back bench, rebellious MP. I would prefer he does stand on a platform of honesty and standing his ground over matters such as immigration, Trident, economy etc. so the voter has the opportunity to see who and what they are voting for.

I wonder how much backing he has from his back bench MP's over the 'capping of pay'.?

I believe his speech from Peterborough this afternoon is going to be aired on Sky News and the BBC so it may or may not become clearer as to what Labours stance is now. My guess is it will cause the back bench to be relieved slightly on his immigration views but concern over his 'pay cap' stance.

Ana Tue 10-Jan-17 11:47:06

He's not saying what that cap should be though. Just a vague generalisation.

rosesarered Tue 10-Jan-17 11:49:51

A Lenin cap?

POGS Tue 10-Jan-17 12:02:38

Dutch Cap.

If he wants it to be made 'law' he must explain what the cap will be set at to be taken seriously.

Will it be , 'Well we need to have a discussion on what it will be'.

petra Tue 10-Jan-17 12:09:58

Give the man a break POGS there's only co much information that he can take in at one time. He's only just woken up to the fact that most labour voters are against mass immigration, don't expect him to grasp economics as well.

Iam64 Tue 10-Jan-17 12:37:13

POGS just a small point. You refer to the Labour membership as though each and every one of them are Corbynisters. They aren't, our local party has lost a number of what I see as genuine Labour supporters because of Corbyn and his acolytes. I'm not disputing he has a huge mandate as a result of winning the leadership election. I agree with you though, he doesn't have huge support amongst many traditional Labour/left leaning people who know he'll never win an election.

Beammeupscottie Tue 10-Jan-17 12:52:44

Give the man a break? If you broke Corbyn in half all you would see is the word LOSER going through him like a stick of Blackpool rock.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 10-Jan-17 13:19:28

Just as I would rarely read the Daily Mail because I know its bent, there is really no point in posting on this DM headlined thread with all its usual point scoring rather than discussion based posts (with the odd noticeable exception).

Have fun children.