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Anti-Trump Demonstration Today

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Rinouchka Sat 21-Jan-17 19:15:03

Today, I participated in the Women's March to The American Embassy in London in protest against Trump's attitude to women and to his proposed plans.
There were thousands of woman( and some men, babies in slings and pushchairs, marching children, even dogs on leads), all using the only method left to us to express our solidarity. It was cold, the sun shone, drums beat and people chatted, shared case histories, laughed, sand, cheered to each helicopter flying overhead and marched until they could move no more.
The police were wonderful and it was peaceful all round, full of goodwill.
There were hundreds of pink pussycat hats, original handmade placards and slogans, even a huge vagina in cardboard. My favourite was a placard( in background of one of the photos attached) stating thus:
A woman needs Trump
Like a fish needs climate change.

My DH, who was with me, thinks that the march, especially one in a foreign country, is a feel good moment for the participants but otherwise useless. Trump is now president and such marches, DH thinks, will do nothing to change the course of his government.

I disagree.

What do Gransnetters think?

durhamjen Sun 22-Jan-17 21:25:10

This was a worthwhile reason for women to march.

twitter.com/5050Parliament

durhamjen Sun 22-Jan-17 23:04:19

What needs to happen after the march.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alicia-kearns/courage-beyond-the-march_b_14313302.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Firecracker123 Mon 23-Jan-17 09:35:42

I see Daphne's support network has come out in force to condemn me yet again with patronising posts and nasty comments but heyho only to be expected because I don't share their lefty views.

Elegran Mon 23-Jan-17 09:39:20

Do we need to have lefty views to condemn vile posts? That's a new restriction.

trisher Mon 23-Jan-17 10:04:18

patronising posts and nasty comments
I don't think you can complain Firecracker123 you started it.
If it's lefty to think references to wealth and status are unnecessary and impolite then thank goodness I'm lefty, but actually many of my right wing friends (especially the poshest) think it's bad manners to talk about such things.

thatbags Mon 23-Jan-17 10:04:46

What's vile about saying life has been kind to you? Or have I missed something?

thatbags Mon 23-Jan-17 10:05:20

Indeed Trisher, bad manners perhaps, but hardly vile.

annodomini Mon 23-Jan-17 10:05:54

Some who climb the ladder and pull it up after them may yet fall to earth with a nasty bump. daphnedill who tells us she has been a higher earner in her time, clearly has not pulled the ladder down after her but left it there for the likes of firecracker to ascend.

thatbags Mon 23-Jan-17 10:07:49

I have also thought, on occasion, that some of dd's posts have a patronising tone. I think I might have been accused of the same somewhere or other.

Are we off anti-Trump rallies now then?

I quoted this elsewhere: "Judging by actual recorded footage, rather than morality tales on social media with implausibly emotive narratives, the overwhelming majority of violence around the US election has been conducted by opponents of Donald Trump."
Ed West

thatbags Mon 23-Jan-17 10:08:53

PS Not that I care. Just saying. It's too easy to get the wrong tone from the written word.

Firecracker123 Mon 23-Jan-17 10:12:33

annodomni true to form nasty comment. How predictable.

thatbags Mon 23-Jan-17 10:14:42

This thread has gone silly.

Firecracker123 Mon 23-Jan-17 10:14:59

trisher daphnedill started it with her patronising comment as well you know. But heyho who cares.

Firecracker123 Mon 23-Jan-17 10:15:52

Yes it has gone silly back to real life now.

trisher Mon 23-Jan-17 10:17:49

thatbags I think the 'vile' bit is the smiley face at the end. It's bad manners to talk about your wealth, it's much worse to mock someone because they haven't any money.
Ed West is the deputy editor of the Catholic herald- Catholics like Trump's abortion ideas, so perhaps not an unbiased view.

daphnedill Mon 23-Jan-17 10:18:32

Indeed it is, thatbags.

Errrmmm...trying to work that one out, annodomini.

I've never been a member of any élite, as far as I know.

There are many members on GN, whose views I respect, even though I often disagree with them. I would put you in that category thatbags. People are free to challenge anything I write, but I don't have much time for people who call others names for the sake of it or come up with opinions disguised as facts.

I'm hardly likely to write something I believe is wrong and I do usually try to back up my argument, which probably comes from years of writing reports on various topics. However, if you think I'm wrong or disagree with my view, I'm all for proper argument/discussion. I've even been known to apologise for making mistakes sometimes. blush

Anyway, back to Trump...wink

durhamjen Mon 23-Jan-17 10:21:41

Donald Trump said that it would be very controversial if he stood as a candidate. That was in 1997.
About Bill Clinton he said, "You think about him with the women. How about me with the women?"
He's just reaping what he sowed.

In 1999 he was a member of the Reform party, and wanted the Civil Rights Act to include protection for gay people. He also called for universal health care and the protection of Social Security through a one-time tax on the super-wealthy.
I imagine some of those protesting just want to keep him to his word.

durhamjen Mon 23-Jan-17 10:25:49

Trisher, at one time Trump supported a right to partial-birth abortion. When he actually found out what it meant, he said he meant he supported a ban on partial-birth abortion, but he supported a a woman's right to choose abortion.
Another about turn.

whitewave Mon 23-Jan-17 10:25:54

LGBT gone from government site. Environment gone.

Now wants to move the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Bloody lunacy.

sunseeker Mon 23-Jan-17 10:32:46

whitewave Can I just correct your comment about LGBT and Environment being gone from the website (I am assuming you mean the White House website). When a new President is elected the whole of the existing website is moved to archives and a new website created reflecting the views of the incoming President, so really nothing has actually been removed. However, I will agree with you that these do not appear to have been mentioned in the NEW website. (I'm just being a tiny bit pedantic!)

whitewave Mon 23-Jan-17 10:50:05

Glad you cleared that up sunseeker

GracesGranMK2 Mon 23-Jan-17 11:10:23

daphnedill started it

How old are you Firecracker123?

Jalima Mon 23-Jan-17 11:44:41

However, I will agree with you that these do not appear to have been mentioned in the NEW website.
Websites can be updated - we hope

Jalima Mon 23-Jan-17 17:43:44

Of course everyone is entitled to peacefully protest but sometimes crowds like this do impact on the everyday lives of others who may have to get to work, to important appointments etc.
And sometimes good manners seem to be fly out of the window if people are intent on protesting and not caring about their fellow citizens (including other females) who are then unable to get to where they need to be.

Just thought that is worth consideration too.

thatbags Mon 23-Jan-17 17:55:34

trisher, judging a man entirely on his Catholicism and support for an anti-abortion stance is not relevant to actual observation and recording of violence by demonstrators. I know this because my father was a Catholic and opposed to abortion but Trump would have given him an apoplexy.

You might not agree with a person on several (even most) things but that doesn't mean they are incapable of accurately reporting something. I'm shocked at the evident prejudice of your attitude.

I'm not saying Ed West has accurately reported something, only that you have no non-prejudicial evidence that he hasn't.