Anti-Trump Demonstration Today

I see where you are coming from MawBroon.
You are right, it most definitely does affect us.
But I suppose I feel like, if my daughter/sister/aunt voted in america for Trump, then they for one thing, are bound to see things a little differently, having for instance seen him many times on TV, over many decades.
Their view of him is more complete than ours.

AsarahG is managing to make my point as well.
Our perspective, with some people only having visited the USA a few times or even not at all, is bound to be different to someone who has a much bigger picture of the whole of the USA.

* Ankers* , As an American citizen who voted and has family in the USA, as well as here and in Europe, I feel compelled to annwer your post:

a) none of us live in America true( I live in England) but commenting on world events is not limited to those who live in the country where events take place. But i understand your point here.

b) 53% of white women* You are right, of white women, but 94% of Black American women and 68% of Latina women, all American women, totalling overall 54% of American women, regardless of colour or ethnic origins voted against Trump and for Hillary.

c) *it is their country*: NO! The country belongs to all citizens, not just the white ones.

d) it is their vote the vote....and its validity, belongs to all citizens, not just the white ones.

e) their vote counts Agree but I interpret their as applying to all citizens, not just the white ones.

f) their choice (as above)

I meant disingenuous regarding the crowds supporting him at the inauguration. However, I agree that his office does affect us and we can only hope he has enough moderate people around him to curb his excesses, the likes of which we have not seen before.

My friend marched yesterday in Oakland. She has that 'much bigger picture of the USA' and the turn out there was three times what was expected. The whole town was brought to a standstill.

Go for it girls.

What the marchers had in common was that they were (mainly) women, but their concerns go far deeper than that shared double X chromosome. They were concerned about his attitude to "others" who do not share his white, male, nominally Christian superiority, who are sick or disabled, not affluent enough to pay US healthcare costs, unemployed for no fault of their own in an era of global unemployment, or who live in fear of retribution if they blow the whistle on the sharp practices of their employers.

Then there are those who live in countries where all those disadvantages are nothing compared to what they are suffering, who are prepared to go to America, the Land of the Free, to work for peanuts and be treated as dirt rather than stay at home under a dictator or a police state.

Engraved on a bronze plaque and mounted inside the pedestal of the statue of Liberty is this by Emma Lazarus:-

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I think that " mighty woman with a torch" would have been at the head of the march.

Rinouchka I think you may have misunderstood Ankers when she said it was "their country". Whilst her first point was about how many white women voted for Trump, I took the rest of her comments to be about all American voters, not just white.

Rinouchka - I would respond to all your points.
But since you choose to do a sort of copy and post, and leave out two key words on the very first point,
I have a big dislike of that sort of thing.
If you deliberately did it, it is a BIG[and that is the first time I think I have used capitals on gransnet]attempt at attempting to paint a wrong picture.
You left out the words just about in point a.

If you say you did not do that deliberately, then I will answer the rest of your points.

Thankyou sunseeker.
Rinouchka - yes if you look better at point b. you can see how the other points followed on from that one.

I cannot imagine why any self-respecting Scot can condone the way the bully Trump has ridden roughshod over the residents of the area of Aberdeenshire where he has established his golf empire. This has been forgotten during the course of his campaign, so perhaps it will refresh memories open your eyes if you follow this link. It's quite long but spare an hour to see the effect the real Trump has had on real people in the North East of Scotland.

Hear hear, anno We don't need to live in America to see how Trump treats those who stand in his way and don't have the resources of an international company behind them against the instincts of a thug to bulldoze the little people as though clearing molehills from his lawn.

I like that banner best of all MawBroon

When I said I wasn't sure of the value of marching I wondered if he would take any notice at all of those who disagree with his election - after all, he got elected despite their views.

Let's hope he is watching, listening and taking note, but an American poster's views on the lack of power actually held by POTUS was heartening.

53% of white american women voted for Trump. It leads me to guess or assume that they think a bit differently to us.
I think that a majority voted for Trump despite knowing about his lewd past because they felt that Hillary and the Democratics had completely lost touch with them and their lives. Calling them a 'basket of deplorables' was probably the final insult.

Ironic - that the Democratics, the Labour Party in the UK - the parties of the working classes - are so completely out of touch with their core voters and have become the elite that they profess to despise.

True Anno the people of that area of Scotland know exactly what Trump is like.

Obama never did the UK any favours saying we would be back of the queue for trade deals if we voted for Brexit. Trump will be a much better friend to the UK. The American people voted for him their choice whether we like him as a person or not, marching is in my personal opinion a complete waste of time.

I like those points as well anno and Elegran.

I think I will watch that link. I havent seen that programme.

No the way the votes fell meant he ended up in the White House. The majority of the American people did not vote for him. His presidency is therefore not as legitimate as he would like to think it is.

I don't really see what Madonna has to do with it. That argument seems like class 'whataboutery' to me.

It's quite interesting that, apart from some relatively new posters, most of us on GN - even those who often disagree - seem to feel the same about Trump.

How can you not?!

No the way the votes fell meant he ended up in the White House. The majority of the American people did not vote for him
That's not what I meant whitewave, I was responding to Ankers's point b) which I copied and pasted ie that 53% of white women voted for him ie a majority when I said majority

Has there ever been a president, or a prime minister in this country, where the majority did vote for them,?

How do you know Trump will be a better 'friend' to the UK? That's your assumption. Personally, I don't think I want him as a friend.

The only way Obama did the UK a disservice was by telling the truth, which people unfortunately didn't believe. He wasn't to know that the UK has been overwhelmed by an-anti expert/'anybody who knows what they're talking about' virus. It seems he took the same bug back to America.

Ironic - that the Democratics, the Labour Party in the UK - the parties of the working classes - are so completely out of touch with their core voters and have become the elite that they profess to despise.

Absolutely! And they cant even see it!

Is tha question purely rhetorical Ankers .or are you about to hit us with something very profound?

You see the public do not vote for PMs in this country

dd I mentioned Madonna because she took part in a demonstration by women protesting against Trump's attitude towards women when she is, in fact, by her actions encouraging the same attitudes. Sorry to be dense but what is 'whataboutery'.