Anti-Trump Demonstration Today

My son's girlfriend was on the march yesterday and I am so proud of her.
No it isn't our country and no we can't stop him being President for the next 4 years, but we can make clear to him and to his administration that his attitude to and his language about women must change. That women will not accept being referred to as "a piece of ass" or as"pussy" to be grabbed. That women will keep the right to choose abortion if they wish. That they will not see their hard won rights eroded.
Firecracker123 as Emily Thornberry said on Question Time if we are offered a trade deal we need to make sure it is a good one. The EU has rejected TTIP at last, the US will be looking to make connections with us on that basis and to worm their way in to our NHS for what they see as a lucrative privatisation opportunity.

oops Anya, my mistake.

In response to you, Ankers, and your comment re point a, it was not my intention to leave out any salient words . I did say that I understood your point there. So, if apologies are due, i apologise there.

There is no need for ominous implications.

The use of statistics referring to the vote of white women for Trump does present an incomplete and erroneous picture, however. I wanted to indicate that the majority of all American women did not vote for Trump. Your use of "their" did follow the comment on white women voters, so, grammatically, It seems understandable that it referred to that comment.

The vote of the majority of American women (and the subsequent marches ) was not just in protest against women's issues, but also on immigration, health and numerous other Trump positions.

Personally, I don't think I want him as a friend.

daphnedill perhaps not a friend but I certainly don't want him as an enemy

We need some outstanding trade negotiators. So far the Brexit crowd seem a tad naive, and I'm worried they will get so excited about someone willling to do a deal with us that we will end up being totally stitched up.

Thankyou Rinouchka.

How do you know he won't, Obama certainly wasn't a friend trying to blackmail us into voting Remain and favouring Merkel and Germany. I'm glad the republicans won. I'm also glad the British people saw sence and voted Leave. The protest rallies against Trump and Brexiters are a waste of time in my opinion, what's done is done the people voted and this is the outcome.

Jalima The problem with the more left-wing parties in Western Europe isn't so much that they've lost touch with core voters, but the core voters have disappeared. In the interwar years, when the Labour Party really grew, there was a distinct difference between 'workers' and the upper and middle classes. The working class and women had only recently won the vote after all, so it was natural they would flock to the political party which represented the formerly unrepresented.

The world has moved on. Apparently only 7-8% of the UK population is involved in manufacturing or mining. The workers have gone! People have mortgages and savings, some manual workers can send their children to private schools, it's possible to be aspirational. This has affected the whole of the Western world.

Left-wing movements all seem to be having an identity crisis. I don't think it's simply a case of left vs right any more. It's certainly not a case that there are poor people on one hand and rich people on the other. Most people are somewhere in the middle.

If people only ever voted in their best interests, nobody would ever vote for the Labour Party, because most people aren't poor, disabled, unemployed, etc. In the Labour Party, there seem to be so many different factions. There are those who remember the old days, when there were traditional working class communities, those who care about the poor, who think a social democratic model would be best, those who would favour a more communist approach, those who haven't a clue what they're going on about, but just hate conservatism and the 'establishment'...

The question really is not how to get in touch with core voters, but deciding who the core voters actually are.

Oh dear! Obama didn't try to blackmail anybody. He told the truth as he saw it, as did the other 'experts' you so despise.

All you're doing is repeating tabloid spin.

Leaving the EU isn't seeing sense. It's lunacy!

I wish there were some way the country could be divided in two. The Leavers could get on with their isolationism. It's just a shame that you dragged almost half the country down with you.

2nd indyref?? I'm sure many of you would be welcome north of the border!.

I don't think people who voted Brexit were voting for isolationism - more for expanded links with the wider world.

As for today's Labour Party - even my traditionalist Labour voting family are all disillusioned and none fit the description of poor, disabled, unemployed (thank goodness) because those who had been made redundant found other jobs - any job - nor are they in a position to send their children to private schools.
They are 'core voters' who are watching the present shenanigans with astonishment and despair.

I see it a bit differently dd.

A lot of the middle class has effectively become the working class.
And in theory the Labour Party should be winning hands down.

But they have not realised that this new group do have aspirations.
And also, that they themselves have become the new elite.
[and as for celebrities who espouse their working class roots!].

But whatever. This this thread is about anti-Trump marching so I shall leave the post at that point.

By they themselves, I mean the Labour Party.

I've thought about that

Could Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle and Cambridge be annexed?

Anyway, isn't this about Trump rather than Brexit which has its own threadsssssss

DD before agreeing to that we'd need to establish the addresses of certain members of GN. Obviously we'd need thorough checks at the border and if we didn't like the look of them would just 'send them back to where they came from'!!! Simples?. TIC

I find your post a little confusing Ankers.

I also suspect some inverted snobbery.

I am not ashamed to say that I do not have traditional working class roots and do not - and never will have - traditional working class values (if such things still exist).

Unfortunately, I am now as poor as a church mouse (for all sorts of reasons), but I have in the past been a high earner. Throughout it all, I've had the same values. I have never been a Little Englander and have never resented paying taxes towards people less fortunate than myself.

I have never ever been represented in Parliament by a MP who shared my values, which are social democrat/socially liberal. I have voted for Labour once (in the last election) and vote for the individual in local elections (usually LibDem or Independent).

There is absolutely no chance that a Labour candidate would win an election where I live, but I would vote for Labour, if I thought my vote would help form a government. I would have to compromise some of my values, but that's what politics is about. Unfortunately, there is currently a gaping void in the centre ground of British politics. Until the 'left' gets its act together, we're going to have right-wing governments for the forseeable future. If I were younger, I would seriously consider emigrating.

But mcem you'd love the look of me! I promise! I even love eating Arbroath smokies and have half a bottle of Islay malt in a cupboard! I could buy a new bottle as a bribe for border control - nudge nudge

You're right Jalima. Sorry! Mea culpa!

I am not ashamed to say that I do not have traditional working class roots and do not - and never will have - traditional working class values
Ah, I did not say that my family had traditional working class roots, rather that some of them traditionally voted Labour, probably for the same ideals that you hold dear daphnedill.

Let's go back to Trump and the original question on this OP.

Based on today's response from the White House re the size of crowds and the "lies" of the media, can the world assume that basic freedoms ( i.e.speech, freedom of the press, etc.) will not be curtailed by Trump? He has threatened to prosecute the media....

I hope we can and that the checks and balances incorporated in the American Constitution will guarantee that measured responses rule over tweeting rhetoric and emotional, spleenatic over-reaction. And that the rule of law prevails.

So, we keep on protesting, when we do not not agree with words spoken and actions taken. And we keep on reporting the truth, although this may have many interpretations....

sorry, me too, Trump has been trumped temporarily.

Back to the OP.

People have let him know what they think of his views in no uncertain terms so perhaps his family will keep him on the straight and narrow morally and they will have to rely on Congress to steer him politically.

I understood his DD is was a friend of Chelsea Clinton.

Perhaps Ivanka could be the one to pull him up if he continues with his misogyny.

Let's hope so, Jalima. And then there is the Senate and House of Representatives.

He has threatened to prosecute the media....

Is the media over there dishonest?

He does say it over and over again.

If they are, then perhaps he should prosecute them.

Anyone know of a USA[non biased - some hope, but thought I would ask!] chat forum in the USA?

It would be interesting to lurk on it.