Government must have vote on Brexit

Ah well, there are many posts on here which make me cringe. #playgroundcliques'r'us

Yes, Jess, only those who want Trump to come here have British values, didn't you realise that?

Although, if Trump and May really cared, they would cancel the state visit as it is upsetting the Queen.

Divisive language!
Ye Gods ww the divisive language ( your fave phrase) is all on your side.

Calm down, roses.

Once more a group of you .....always the same posters are being confrontational to drive a Gransnet member off the thread, so obvious and for all to see.

Ha, ha - as if you give a damn about the Queen's feelings, durhamjen! And of course it's not 'upsetting her', she's made of sterner stuff.

Jess is now making the false claim that I think:

"people who have signed the anti-Trump-State-Visit petition are members of some kind of global extremist plot?"

No I do not think them "members ... of a plot", but I do consider it an extremist demand, given that:

a) Many actual dictators have been granted a state visit
b) The relationship with the USA is and always has been vital to the national interest. It displays an extraordinary disregard, or ignorance of this fact of the realpolitiK.

In your case Jess, as youre a declared political activist, I doubt its a matter of ignorance of what you are doing.

Perhaps I really don't like unpleasant and bullying tactics employed by a group of you against a member that you don't like.The fact that you think it's quite all right to do it doesn't escape most Gransnetters.So full of the milk of human kindness aren't you?

What divisive language is that rose? Do I constantly talk about immigrants, or refugees , or tell you that you get over excited when talking about an African neighbour, or constantly mention people of colour (what!!!!!) - I could go on. It is constantly pointing out the "other" it is language of division, it is language of hate, it is language of strife.

On this thread it's all on your side!

jessM I think you will find that the reason most people voted to leave the eu was because they believe in British values.

Examples rose?

Petra What are British values. I would love to know.

"You have been an apologist for Mair and his values since you started posting Mair"

I certainly have NOT.
TTo suggest so is absolutly outrageous!

I do not know what his 'values' are, and none of us know a great deal about him but there isnt a shred of evidence that he was 'racist'.
His own mixed race half brother with whom he got on well defended him against this attack by the media.

The truth is it SUITS Bremain extremists to label him as 'racist' rather than accept that a working class person in the North of England had developed a violent hatred for a Labour MP who he perceived as not acting in his interests. He had probably voted for her!

That in no way excuses his vicious act however.

Ask JessM, she seems to know all about British values and who holds them...

"What are British values. I would love to know."

Being an autonomous democratic nation.

Mair said "Jess is now making the false claim that I think:"
No Mair don't worry you don't think.

Pardon? Did you really say that Nelliemoser?

I can't believe some of the posts on this thread.

Talk about #bullies'r'us

Hear hear!

I saw Guy Verhofstad last night on Newsnight and was very surprised to hear him say about closer political union of states etc - first time I have seen him say that. It is a thing which may well not get very far as Junker dismissed the idea as not being what most people wanted a few months ago.
Not having to join such a coalition was one of the things David Cameron got an agreement on when he negotiated his deal - plus not joining the Euro and also different rules for migrants to UK. Once the vote was held the agreement ceased to exist.

, when he murdered her he said it was for Britain and when asked his name in court he said - death to traitors freedom for Britain

LaraGransnet is targeted bullying of one poster allowed as well because that is what is happening here.

WW said
Do I constantly talk about immigrants, or refugees , or tell you that you get over excited when talking about an African neighbour, or constantly mention people of colour (what!!!!!)

YES you do constantly talk about refugees and immigrants as we all do when its relevant! Its a big political topic at present.

You certainly deserved sarcasm for your comments about your African neighbor, it was one of the most gauche cringe worthy posts Ive ever seen.
And its hardly as if youre a shrinking violet WW! I think you can cope.

I dont think Ive even used the term 'people of colour', not that it would matter if I did!
Youre just looking for excuses to complain.

It looks like the EU is now showing it's true colours with that remark Welshwife as it is what they have wanted for a long time.