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Article 50

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Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 14:36:09

Well its been announced that Jeremy Corbyn is applying a three line whip to his MPs to make them support the triggering of article 50.

I admire Jeremy for this, it's an act of leadership, and it could save Labours bacon in the many Northern Brexit seats that they hold, so in that sense I am not entirely pleased because it will weaken UKIPs chances. It will also weaken Paul Nuttalls chances in Stoke.

What do the Bremain Labour supporters on GN feel about this?

stillaliveandkicking Wed 08-Feb-17 23:17:36

I personally don't find Mair shouty at all, I find her pretty honest though.

MawBroon Wed 08-Feb-17 23:16:10

That's a shame Mair, but if you prefer to be shouty so be it.
However to do smile (and I assume you do smile as well as harangue people) you don't leave a space between the square brackets and the word. So you should get smile instead of shouty [ smile ]

Mair Wed 08-Feb-17 23:05:08

Only Greece took the money ( and might run) [ smile]

Quite! Good for them. The homeland of democracy.

petra Wed 08-Feb-17 22:47:44

I've long had a feeling that Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece have always thought that it would collapse. Unlike us who are going through all this angst, they are just playing the waiting game. Only Greece took the money ( and might run) [ smile]

stillaliveandkicking Wed 08-Feb-17 21:29:38

YAY! Im so happy! I always had faith that no matter what, as a democracy this would happen. The EU will surely have to be no more soon.

Mair Tue 07-Feb-17 21:48:16

Joelsnan said
The cards are stacking up for the eventual dissolution of the EU in its current state it is almost inevitable that Greece will be the next country to leave

Bring it on!
Grexit Frexit I-tal-y-exit!

Mair Tue 07-Feb-17 21:42:31

MB said
The convention on GN is usually to copy and paste using these like this It is rather less strident than bold

Is it really? Well I shan't be adopting it thanks. grin

Joelsnan Tue 07-Feb-17 16:42:38

Yorkshiregal I think it would be nigh on impossible to remove us from Europe as we are all attached together on the same land mass called the European plate (part of it is under the sea) so they won't be towing us off to 'Coventry' anytime soon smile

The cards are stacking up for the eventual dissolution of the EU in its current state it is almost inevitable that Greece will be the next country to leave. The growing debt of other faltering countries will emerge one by one which will strain finances, cultural differences are now bubbling under the surface in some more conservative Eastern European countries.

petra Tue 07-Feb-17 16:17:31

Has anyone been reading about what's going on in Greece? They are seriously talking about leaving. They can't afford their repayment ( I think it's due in July)
What have they got to loose?

Welshwife Tue 07-Feb-17 15:56:28

No one wants any country 'wiped off the map' * Yorkshire* - my word that is exaggeration to the Nth degree! They had already agreed that UK did not need to join in any further political Union - the EU was in fact very accommodating to the UK with what it allowed us to get away with. No one else had a deal like we did.
The French will really miss us as the opinion of many of the population was that UK kept the place sane with what they agreed and what they changed and opposed.

Yorkshiregel Tue 07-Feb-17 15:35:21

Good to keep in mind that we are only leaving The EU, not Europe. Europe is a beautiful place. So diverse and lovely people. We have spent many happy holidays in some of the European countries and we intend to carry on doing that. Good food, wine (not me, I don't drink alcohol)and lots of sunshine. What more could you want?

We do not want to see our own country wiped off the map which was the ultimate goal, although it took a long time for them to come clean and admit it.

Yorkshiregel Tue 07-Feb-17 15:31:22

nigglynellie I agree. Clutching at straws or what? No-one wants WWIII, certainly not Brexit supporters.

Mr Cameron shot himself in the foot when he called a Referendum, he was so arrogant he thought he had it in the bag. Then when realisation dawned he started to panic and there was, it seemed to me, a memo sent round to get Remainers thinking of all sorts of propaganda messages to try and sway the vote his way. The trouble was that he over egged the pudding and peoples stopped believing everything he said. The 'Renogiation success' he boasted about was the clincher. Everyone could see he was lying through his teeth.

I do not think it will spoil Paul Nuttal's chances in Stoke. We know a lot of people from Stoke and they all say the same. 'UKIP is the way to go' is what they are saying. Labour have had it I think; although I believe Mr Corbin to be an honest man even if he does have some strange ideas. The Conservatives will stand no chance imo.

I am not afraid at all about leaving the EU. Lots of doom and gloom forecasts have been proven to be rubbish, lies and damn lies. We should all be pulling together now to make it work. All this panicking just makes the Market wobble; or is that the plan? Then the Remainers can say 'we told you so'!

Welshwife Mon 06-Feb-17 18:11:25

I know the EU is always changing Mair one of the latest things being the huge reduction in mobile roaming fees as now illegal for the companies to impose high fees.
While we are in the EU we can have a say about the laws and changes and veto if we wish. Nothing stays the same in any country/ area.
I read a report today which pointed out that despite currency value the greatest area of growth is in fact the EU area - doing much better than most other places. I will see if I can find the link again.

durhamjen Mon 06-Feb-17 17:19:50

You got that wrong, Mair.

www.indy100.com/article/the-sun-veg-shortage-europeans-supermarkets-spain-7562536

Brexiteers blamed Europeans.

MawBroon Mon 06-Feb-17 17:18:54

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don't know where they disappeared to
That is odd -I mean the upside down v symbols - odd indeed.

MawBroon Mon 06-Feb-17 17:16:23

The convention on GN is usually to copy and paste using these .
like this
It is rather less strident than bold.

Mair Mon 06-Feb-17 17:13:19

Petra said

I suppose that if one were desperate they could blame the shortage of lettuce and courgettes on brexit, but that would be stretching it grin

I am sure some of the Bremoaners are doing that Petra - Spaniards keeping the vegies for themselves and serve us horrible Brits right since we've upset the poor dear Marias and Antonios!

grin

Mair Mon 06-Feb-17 17:05:26

Mair my post to JessM saying ' yes, you got that right' was not about the EU, but the previous post about Scotland.Wouldn't it be great if we had a reply with quote facility.Save any confusion

Then my apologies Roses for correcting what I misconstrued as an error!

Yes a quote facility would be great!
I just use bold but that can confuse too.

nigglynellie Mon 06-Feb-17 16:55:05

Predicting WW111 was really very very naughty, I've heard of the powers of persuasion, but, apart from being ridiculous, to even suggest that sort of fear was downright reprehensible in the extreme. We knew it was the politics of desparation, but some were genuinely very frightened.

rosesarered Mon 06-Feb-17 16:50:48

Mair my post to JessM saying ' yes, you got that right' was not about the EU, but the previous post about Scotland.Wouldn't it be great if we had a reply with quote facility.Save any confusion.

petra Mon 06-Feb-17 16:43:37

Yes Ana Why would you want your country to fail just for the sake of being right.

petra Mon 06-Feb-17 16:41:26

Mark Carney has had to 're think' his economic forecast twice since 23rd June and by his own admittance "he got it wrong"
The £ didn't fall off a cliff as predicted, we didn't go to hell in a hand cart and DC predicted that it could start ww3 and unemployment is still going down.
I suppose that if one were desperate they could blame the shortage of lettuce and courgettes on brexit, but that would be stretching it grin

Ana Mon 06-Feb-17 16:27:14

Yes, it's obvious that some are still hoping that it will. Wonder why?

durhamjen Mon 06-Feb-17 16:12:54

Article 50 has not been enacted yet in the EU. We have no idea what the other countries will allow us to do after next month. How can you say project fear didn't materialise?

nigglynellie Mon 06-Feb-17 14:16:53

You're probably right petra! At least we won't be in the centre of any ensuing mayhem, we'll have been there, done that and be sailing our own ship!