Article 50

Yorkshiregel

Thank you very much for your informative posts, I was not previously aware of the scale of the cover up by our own Pro EU politicians.

Sad really, because people in the areas which were benefiting most from EU structural funding have given themselves a bloody nose. The are going to lose the additional funding and as always, get hit harder post Brexit when the economy inevitably will suffer.

It's not surprising London "is big enough and wealthy enough to be a city state" when it gets twice as much investment per head of population suzied.

Yes, I agree. London should be its own city state and not take money from everywhere else in the UK.

GGM2 who will want to to join up with Scotland?! Not that the Scots would want it either,
and in England there has always been a North /South divide.The journalists always choose somebody who is likely to say'we wanted to give them a bloody nose' and there will always be a few prepared to say that, but that certainly doesn't mean that all in the North think that way.We are only shown ( on tv) the few replies that are the most sensational, and never see the replies that are edited out.Same when a journalist writes an article.There are many reasons why people in those areas voted out.

I can't see Parliament agreeing on 'the city state' for London.

In any case, there have been enough 'divisions' surely?

durhamjen I was not intending to offend anyone. There are those who know how it works and those who do not.

Yes, I do know that durhamjen but last time I looked Yorkshire and Durham were in the UK! We all pay money to London but at least we know we are supporting OUR OWN country and not half of Europe.

There are poor people in our own country. Imo we should be supporting them, education, the NHS, road maintenance and green belt areas not sending vast sums of money overseas to countries who do not need and do not want our money.

I cannot wait for Article50 to be triggered and then all the moaning can stop.

The moaning will never stop, Yorkshiregel.

How rude Ana.

But there is countrywide moaning! Not rude to either want it to stop or to think it will never stop.

Why does Mrs Sturgeon think that Scotland can survive on its own? Not all people in Scotland want to break away from UK and if she is expecting us to support her in any way once she has made the break she is kidding herself. The Government hand-outs will stop and Scottish children will suffer when their education budget is cut. Their Health Service will suffer when the money from London stops. When she floods Scotland with immigrants as demanded by free movement of people doesn't she realise that wages will drop through the floor right across the board, because people from these EU countries will work for a pittance so the legal minimum wage will be ignored? Does she not know that there is a clause in the agreement that says she can only control this and that, but she cannot control whether we come out or stay in the EU? Or anything to do with Defence for example? The people have spoken, including those in Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland and they said OUT so OUT it will be. She has been turned away by the EU, Norway, and Ireland, because no-one wants to speak to the head of a devolved state, they want to speak to the person who is top of the pile, and that happens to be Theresa May at the moment not Mrs Sturgeon.

Exactly so Yorkshire but anyway I doubt very much that if there was a referendum on independence any time soon, that the people would vote for it.

If you think the BBC is meant to be neutral think again! The BBC has done everything it can to stop BREXIT. All their political programmes are biased towards staying in the European Union.

rosesarered Independence for Scotland has always been top of the agenda for Mrs Sturgeon (who seems to think she is Queen of Scotland flying in to London in her private jet). I do not believe for one minute, as you say, that the majority of Scottish people will vote for it. It is pie in the sky.

You have to hand it to her for trying though, but it is her dream, no-one else' I think.

GracesGranMK2, how exactly was my post 'rude'?

It's reactions like yours that put people off posting at all. You have no idea who I was referring to, you just chose to make it personal. That in itself is rude.

Depends on your point of view Yorkshire I mostly think the BBC is for Brexit - they certainly gave them more airtime before the vote - so maybe they are just neutral

I do find it odd that people get so passionate about the UK contribution to the EU budget. It only actually amounts to just over 1% of UK expenditure. We spend more on foreign aid than on the EU.

I suspect that we will lose far more than we save by leaving.

JP Morgan criticises the shallowness of the Government's White paper.
uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-white-paper-jpmorgan-shallow-lacks-detail-2017-2
There has been concern this week about EURATOM - the government seem to think that this is part of the EU - it is not. If the UK were to leave this important body it would leave the nuclear industry high and dry.
www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2017/feb/01/brexit-nuclear-eu-euratom-treaty-clare-moody
And leaving bodies like the EU medicines agency will not only remove an important office from London but mean that the UK would have to go to the considerable expense of setting up it's own new Medicines regulation authority.
And so on.
Not moaning but worrying.

It is expected to cost €60bn in order to leave.

The white paper indicates that it is expected that we will continue to make contributions in order to participate in in such things as cross border policing and other areas like scientific research and research. These contributions are not expected to be insubstantial.

The £350m has disappeared.

"I do find it odd that people get so passionate about the UK contribution to the EU budget. It only actually amounts to just over 1% of UK expenditure. We spend more on foreign aid than on the EU."

Thats not a very responsible attitude. Take the same attitude to your household budget and you'll end up in debt.

Doh I forgot , after fifty years in the EU we ARE in debt, £1.64 trillion, 78K for everyone in Britain.

Lets spend just 1% of our earnings on decorating our neighbors house eh, that sounds like a good idea!

It is expected to cost €60bn in order to leave.

Yeh its a 'one off' an investment in our future as a country and a nation !

To say that the BBC has tried to stop brexit is absurd. I do not believe we would ever have got into this mess if the BBC had not relentlessly promoted Nigel Farage.

See the BBC bias thread.

I agree with DJ London should be its own city state and the capital could move to Manchester or Sunderland or somewhere further north. London could remain in the Eu and continue to offer world wide financial services. Everywhere else in England moans about policies being too London centric so they could suit themselves. All those non natives clogging up the capital would not be a drain on the rest of the country . Can't see a problem with that and Brexiteers would love it ( yes my tongue is in my cheek and I am not holding my breath, but radical things do happen in revolutionary times)