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Article 50

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Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 14:36:09

Well its been announced that Jeremy Corbyn is applying a three line whip to his MPs to make them support the triggering of article 50.

I admire Jeremy for this, it's an act of leadership, and it could save Labours bacon in the many Northern Brexit seats that they hold, so in that sense I am not entirely pleased because it will weaken UKIPs chances. It will also weaken Paul Nuttalls chances in Stoke.

What do the Bremain Labour supporters on GN feel about this?

Anniebach Thu 02-Feb-17 13:04:10

There has been three changes to the Labour shadow cabinet in less than two years .
I am curious as to will be next , so few left who are willing to work with him

Mair Thu 02-Feb-17 12:31:01

"to name more than three"

If you can do that and their jobs youre doing impressively Roses! LOL

rosesarered Thu 02-Feb-17 10:48:58

There seems to be a lot of changes, all the time, to the shadow cabinet.I used to know almost all the names, now I struggle to name more than three.

Anniebach Thu 02-Feb-17 10:37:10

So the number of labour MP's who either voted against or didn't vote is seventy . Corbyn will appoint his new front bench next week !

Mair Thu 02-Feb-17 10:36:07

Apparently the USA only takes the brightest and the best when looking at someone wanting to get into journalism!

Very sensible.
A points based system is what we need too!
Its bound to miss some well qualified who lack the formal qualifications, like Nigel though, whose experience and personality place him eminently among the 'brightest and best'.

Mair Thu 02-Feb-17 10:31:25

ROFL Jalima!

Anniebach Thu 02-Feb-17 10:31:08

If Diane had voted against he would have to find a new shadow Home Secretary, he hasn't formed a full shadow cabinet yet . Never mind, Thornberry would be happy to be shadow home and foreign secretary , she is at his side like a Siamese twin.

Jalima Thu 02-Feb-17 10:29:33

My very best wishes to Diane for a speedy recovery.
If only she'd asked I could have gone round with some hot soup, paracetamol and the offer of a lift to the Commons.
Diane - flowers

gillybob Thu 02-Feb-17 10:02:44

Of course not Mair much safer for her to be poorly I think!

I reckon she'll be right as rain today though

Mair Thu 02-Feb-17 01:37:39

Apparently Diane Abbot was too poorly to vote

Hilarious!!
Didnt want to lose favour with her old boyf!
gringringrin

daphnedill Wed 01-Feb-17 23:54:25

POGS Why wouldn't MPs for Scotland, London, the cities and university towns represent their constituents if their belief coincided with their own views?

I would have hoped that my own MP had defied his party whip and voted with his conscience, but sadly he didn't (he's an ardent Europhile). The split in this constituency was almost 50/50, so he voted the way he did for party political reasons. Isn't party politics what so many people are voting against?

However this works out, I believe it is totally wrong that everything should be done in secret and rubber stamped by a dozen or so cabinet members. That's the route to dictatorship.

durhamjen Wed 01-Feb-17 23:42:50

No idea. That's why I said I wonder....

Anniebach Wed 01-Feb-17 23:34:26

Why would the Eagle sisters plan one for one against? Are sisters not capable of making their own decisions without approval from their sibling ? What would they gain?

durhamjen Wed 01-Feb-17 23:23:22

Nottingham, Liverpool, Wakefield, Stockport?
Only gone down to Cs, Mary Creagh.
One of the Eagle twins voted for, one against. I wonder if they planned that.

POGS Wed 01-Feb-17 23:14:52

Quite interesting to read the list of Labour MP's who voted against triggering Article 50.

My 'perception' was for the most part they were London Area MP's, Wales MP's , University Towns and very few Labour Heartland MP's.

durhamjen Wed 01-Feb-17 23:04:03

Quite a few didn't vote. Mine didn't either. There's a list somewhere.

gillybob Wed 01-Feb-17 22:56:46

Apparently Diane Abbot was too poorly to vote. hmm

durhamjen Wed 01-Feb-17 22:06:27

It was becoming a bit repetitive towards the end, though. It was if every single MP wanted to justify his/her vote.

Ginny42 Wed 01-Feb-17 22:03:46

DD I agree. Some very powerful speeches from both sides of the house and one or two who would have been struggling in a High School debate.

But it was right that it was debated and the MPs allowed a vote.

Ginny42 Wed 01-Feb-17 22:00:18

Well this isn't the final vote on the bill although few will think it can be stopped now. There are several more stages and it's got to go through the Lords yet.

BJ says on Fb, 'We're leaving EU treaties, we're not leaving Europe.'

Anyone know what he means?

daphnedill Wed 01-Feb-17 21:48:13

It was always inevitable that it would be passed. I still think it was right that it was debated by Parliament and correct processes followed. Some of the arguments have been fascinating and deserved an airing.

Anniebach Wed 01-Feb-17 21:19:06

Corbyn must be celebrating, he has always wanted out, the morning following the result he said it must be carried out quickly, no delaying

rosesarered Wed 01-Feb-17 20:36:40

Absolutely grannyp although there are still hurdles before the end of March!

grannypiper Wed 01-Feb-17 20:35:04

Now lets get on with our future.

Mair Wed 01-Feb-17 20:31:38

There are very rich and powerful people backing the Bremainers. It's ironic that so many lefties are too, and points to the growing meaninglessness of 'right' and 'left' as a political spectrum.