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Article 50

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Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 14:36:09

Well its been announced that Jeremy Corbyn is applying a three line whip to his MPs to make them support the triggering of article 50.

I admire Jeremy for this, it's an act of leadership, and it could save Labours bacon in the many Northern Brexit seats that they hold, so in that sense I am not entirely pleased because it will weaken UKIPs chances. It will also weaken Paul Nuttalls chances in Stoke.

What do the Bremain Labour supporters on GN feel about this?

whitewave Fri 27-Jan-17 20:14:16

dj Paterson doesn't seem to be the brightest spark in the box. Never fails to underwhelm.

rosesarered Fri 27-Jan-17 20:13:07

Can we have Let It Go placards as well to wave Jalima grin

stillaliveandkicking Fri 27-Jan-17 20:11:59

have to say i chuckled there Ana. bayonets to the fore.

durhamjen Fri 27-Jan-17 20:11:42

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/01/two-leading-brexiters-went-to-berlin-to-woo-german-businesses-over-brexit-it-didnt-go-well/

I presume these two went as part of Brexit and not of their own volition.
May had better rein them in if she wants the UK to get a good deal.

rosesarered Fri 27-Jan-17 20:11:22

Let us all sing.....you know how it goes 'Let it go, let it go!'The referendum result never bothered me anyway, tra la!'

Jalima Fri 27-Jan-17 20:10:50

saak all the Brexiteers could march just as everyone did when Trump was inaugurated, block the streets, get in the way of people trying to get to important appointments, stopping old ladies going about their lawful business etc etc

Will the Americans march as well?

Watch this space

whitewave Fri 27-Jan-17 20:10:22

Don't be silly aak Article 50 will be activated.

Presumably what you are talking about is the shape of the UK after Brexit. Now that certainly will be challenged. Don't forget Parliament is sovereign.

stillaliveandkicking Fri 27-Jan-17 20:08:59

Threat?

Ana Fri 27-Jan-17 20:06:50

Don't be silly. A 'threat' from one lone Gransnetter? hmm

varian Fri 27-Jan-17 20:03:49

Is that a threat?

stillaliveandkicking Fri 27-Jan-17 19:52:49

when are you lot going to just let it go? remainers are really rather embarrassing themselves now. what do you think would happen if by some ridiculous chance article 50 was never quite allowed to be activated because of constant blocking. do you really think that everything would "get back to normal" out voters who won via a democratic process will just roll over and concede. this really would cause anarchy and possibly a civil war.

durhamjen Fri 27-Jan-17 19:48:18

I've just read that there are fewer civil servants than at any time since the second world war. Working out Brexit is going to be interesting for the Brexiteers.
They want small government, they are getting it.

whitewave Fri 27-Jan-17 19:29:12

Miller isn't a remainer. She believes in Parliamentry sovereignty as I do. The Brexiters plan to stitch up the British and take away our rights without our assent, was never going to be a runner. May showed lack of judgement.

stillaliveandkicking Fri 27-Jan-17 19:26:19

Well that's alright then. Knock yourselves out smile

durhamjen Fri 27-Jan-17 19:23:43

Only one thing happened so far, isn't there? Hardly all the silly things.
If May had not challenged the first decision, it wouldn't have cost so much to the taxpayer.
That's a thought. She hasn't put that on the cost of Article 50. Why not?

durhamjen Fri 27-Jan-17 19:21:47

Pay for it ourselves through crowdfunding.

stillaliveandkicking Fri 27-Jan-17 19:20:10

Makes me wonder who's footing the bill for all the silly things the remainers are getting up to.

Mair Fri 27-Jan-17 18:06:37

I think she should and will whip on some amendments and allow a free vote on others, such as working rights. AS EU law is initially going to be fully incorporated into UK law so workers rights will be. Doesn't exclude modifying later on if needs be.

Anniebach Fri 27-Jan-17 17:46:35

There is talk of several Tory MP's voting against but I doubt she will wield the whip, she may though. With such a small majority I doubt the MP's will vote against , difficult one for both labour and Tory MP's

Mair Fri 27-Jan-17 17:43:51

" some free access"

A contradiction in terms. hmm

Mair Fri 27-Jan-17 17:41:31

"May will probably have to accept some of these amendments if she wants to meet her deadline"

Or whip her own MPs.

Welshwife Fri 27-Jan-17 17:33:33

Going back to the post by Dj - about trade / visa deals - India has made it clear they want the same - many many more visas and Priti Patel did promise some free access to the Indian subcontinent during the campaign. Australia also wants more visas.
I don't think these are the sort of deals the Brexit group were thinking about.

durhamjen Fri 27-Jan-17 17:12:10

Tricia, some in the party think he has made a good choice, as it enables him to show he is the leader.
Has anyone else read the amendments that Labour are going to try and make to the article 50 bill?

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/01/26/labour-tables-targeted-amendments-to-article-50-bill-what-do-you-think-of-them/

If these amendments are voted on and passed, there will be no reason for those who have resigned to have done so. They jumped the gun.
May will probably have to accept some of these amendments if she wants to meet her deadline.

Anniebach Fri 27-Jan-17 17:02:27

We cannot forget he sacked Hilary Benn for sticking to his beliefs . This is the problem for people who live in glass houses

Ana Fri 27-Jan-17 16:59:00

Far safer being the ageing rebel on the backbenches.