Article 50

So do we add Torture to the UKIP list of Fors dj?

I never placed my trust in anyone in the Leave campaign.

But you did in Remain?

Why are UKIP allowed to stand for office?
Because we live in a democracy?

It said 'UKIP supporters' not members
Do people always tell the truth in a poll?
Most pools have been wildly inaccurate anyway

It's how you tell'em

If she's got any sense she won't agree to any so called 'amendments" on free movement etc and the single market as this is not want the brexit voters wanted.also Cameron and Osborne made it quite clear on tv etc that if we voted to leave we would be leaving the single market and the customs union.Why can the remoaners not accept this???

I was just about to post the same comment Jalima ( was that a serious question djen.... surely not.)

And before you link - Nuttall has said he would probably be OK with torture if it prevented a terrorist attack, Suzanne Evans is against it.

So people should be stopped from running for office because of the thoughts of some of their supporters .

Very biblical , I think it was St Paul who said the thought was as sinful as the deed .

If this was true I am guilty as any murderer

UKIP have got a tiny membership. I think it was about 30k had a vote in their leadership election. So it has not been either member subs or member campaigning activity that have got them votes in the PR elections where they have succeeded.
Their success so far has been down to two things - Arron Banks funding them lavishly and Nigel Farage's success in getting media attention and playing to people's fears.
Nuttal would not be allowed to be an MEP and and MP.
Nathan Gill is an MEP and a member of the Welsh Sennedd. However he is not allowed to claim both salaries tax free is my understanding.
He's stopped being UKIP in the Assembly because he cant get on with Neil Hamilton and is not showing up.
Google Nathan Two Jobs Gill for the sordid saga.

Not many people can get on with Neil Hamilton.

Although the UKIP members of the Sennedd must prefer Hamilton to Gill
Gill is English, Hamilton is Welsh

The funniest comment in the battle between Gill and Hamilton was Hamilton declaring Gill - must do the honourable thing. Hamilton and honourable just doesn't pair up.

Did anyone locate a manifesto for Nutall? Probably not. In 2015 it was a very last minute affair. He'll have some local literature coming out soon I guess.

The Senydd elections last year.

Labour lost one seat to Plaid

Plaid gained one seat from labour

Tories lost three seats

Libs lost four seats

UKIP gained those seven seats

So UKIP gained from Libs and Tories not from labour

50:50 as important as Article50.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyT9GnRkCCg&t=31s

I love the notion that by imposing a 3-line whip on the Article 50 bill, Jeremy is showing leadership! He's had 16 months to show he can be a leader and all he is shown is that he hasn't got a clue.

No-one knows what the Labour Party stands for anymore because Jeremy is totally unconvincing and uninspiring. Mair - why do you think imposing a 3-line whip on the Article 50 bill will save Labour's bacon in the northern seats? To most people, what Jeremy says is irrelevant. Under his "leadership", the Labour Party cannot be taken seriously and will be finished.

In my view, the Tory government offered a referendum on the EU because they were afraid of losing votes to UKIP in the last General Election. However referendums are better suited to simple issues that most people can understand. The EU and the advantages and disadvantages of membership are far too complex for a referendum.

UKIP will probably win in Stoke because voters want a change from the failed 2-party system we have now. It won't matter what their candidate's election leaflets will say or how small UKIP's membership is.

Do most people read party manifestoes or even believe them if they do? I don't think so!

I would like to know what the outcome would be if each MP voted the way the majority in their constituency voted. I wonder if someone has worked this out? Presumably it doesn't give the 'right' answer. Otherwise why all the argy bargy?

www.google.com/url?q=http://www.eurolabour.org.uk/ukip-meps-fail-to-support-stronger-eu-anti-torture-trade-regulations&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwjQptnI5eTRAhXFOBoKHYUJByAQFggSMAc&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNFjKhte0Dnbb3P4MrjlqCspxgEPLQ

October 4th, last year. Ukip MEPs would rather back those who make money out of torture equipment than the EU ant-torture bill.

So how many times did Corbyn defy a three line whip?

I just tried to search whether Nuttall voted in that debate, but UKIP's EU website is not safe. I wonder why.

Just noticed that Nuttall is to open up a UKIP office in Stoke. He is being investigated for the last office he opened up and charged for, which turned out to be just a mail drop box.

It doesn't matter, tigger.
If he hadn't called a three-line whip, he would have been accused of not taking it seriously.

It's not very often Carol that the electorate get exactly what they want so why should they this time?
They voted to stop immigration and the Govt are advertising in the EU for Doctors and teachers -

Corbyn has always wanted out of the EU, this is a fact. I believe it the reason why he was so quit during the lead up to the referendum. He was jolly quick getting on tv following the result to say the government needed to act quickly. He must be panicking his own party will hold up something he has waited years for.

Tigger. 428 times

skwawkbox.org/2017/01/28/if-article503linewhip-have-you-stumped-these-2-perspectives-may-help/

Worth reading.

"The three-line-whip demanding support for the Article 50 Bill only extends to its second reading – to show that Labour supports the will of the people as expressed in the EU referendum last year. If the Tory government fails to demonstrate that it can deliver a departure from the EU that will be worthwhile for everyone, then Labour can, if the party so desires, comfortably vote against it as being against the public interest. Those are not contradictory positions, for obvious reasons – the Conservatives must show that they can make Brexit work."