The Trump presidency

POGS

Why should Tory voters 'KEEP QUIET'.

Do read the context. It was roses who was suggesting that Tory voters didn't post (i.e kept quiet) on thesee threads because they were bullied by left wing voters.

As for your 'Oh dear roses ' I have noted this form of mockery is being used by the same posters quite regularly, along with the 'Leaving the play ground' comment. Each to his own I guess.

And you're clearly another one who likes to come on here and tell people how to behave.

Shall I take it as a no from you Maizie for my challenge to be civil?

Iam 64

Thank you for replying.

You say :-

" I enjoy the political discussions but there is a tendency from some to make unnecessarily nasty comments to those the perceive as having different views to themselves."

Very true and by posters condoning or stirring up more aggravation they are , albeit subliminally, adding fuel to the fire.

Perhaps we are all at one time or another to be found guilty of that but it is another time when 'whom is making/who has started' the nasty comments is in the eye of the beholder and time lines and reading a thread from start to finish usually evaluates the situation for understanding where it all kicks off usually.

Maizie D

Thank you for replying.

Stop twirling your stick, roses.

You see? That is what you get for offering to put a stop to all the argybargy on here, although some others may yet agree to it.Discussion and debate fine, insults not fine.

POGS and I have made a start, hopefully others will feel the same.All the aggro is spoiling Gransnet.

I totally agree roses, there are many times I would like to join in, but decided not to - and the occasions when I have, I look a little later expecting to be attacked for what I have said. We don't all have thick skins, and I must admit that at times things have hurt.

roses I suppose I feel that Compass type alliances are a way of searching for common ground rather than the usual, adversarial style of politics. A bit more purposeful for me.
Vince Cable/Caroline Lucas/Howard Kaye (local politician)came to speak locally (a Tory stronghold) at a Compass meeting. The hall was packed and constructive and lively (but not sniping) debate took place. You say we should talk to Trump but it sounds like you do not want to talk to local opposition!

ps should also say that a large %age were younger people than here on GN.

I don't think Tory voters perceive themselves as being bullied, (we're not complete whimps!!) But it is true that from my point of view, (I can't speak for others),being perceived as racist, homophobic, sexist, and all that is nasty, does get extremely tiresome to the point that I can't be bothered to even broach another point of view, particularly over brexit and Trump! so instead of being ridiculed and shouted down, it's easier just to butt out, and much more honest than pretence!

Nobody said Tories should keep quiet but it was suggested that the Conservatives on Gransnet are too frightened of a supposed left wing "group" whose comments frighten them into keeping quiet.

I was pointing out that there are several self-declared Conservatives posters, and even more who broadly agree with them, and they are not frightened to, and most certainly do, voice their opinions.

Or niggly you could voice your opposition to racism /sexism etc etc by arguing strongly against racist/sexist etc views when they are expressed and declare yourself a Tory to prove the point!(or at least say 'I don't agree')

I take it on the chin that the EDL/BF/UKIPetc etc posters on here brand me as a loony Lefty, global conspiricist, radical nutter, anti-British etc etc. but I try to demonstrate that I am in fact a reasoned thinker who has a particular view on how society should be structured and function.

Of course I know not everyone agrees with my points of view, even amongst my 'broadly left' friends and aquaintances we have our differences. I do believe in being able to express a point of view, publicly, unless it is going to create dangerous situations. There are already laws to deal with this that I feel are sufficient if used.

There were 10 posters: you, Merlotgran, Kettylester, Mollie65, Charleygirl, harrigran, Ceesnan, nigglynellie and POGS - all indicating they definitely did not regret voting Tory.

Of those 'several' Tory voters, the first five named virtually never post on the political threads and certainly do not 'voice their opinions' on them.

How strange to go back to an old thread just to check how many GN members dared to admit to not regretting voting Conservative!

I am quite sure there are people who read these political sites of all shades of the political spectrum, and who choose for whatever reason not to post. That is entirely their business. To expect these sites not to get heated and occasionally very personal is asking for the moon.
I would love for there to be debate that is lively and interesting without acrimony but I guess so much of what we discuss is so fundamental and about which we feel so passionately that I guess it is unsurprising that we tear strips out of each other at times.

If only people would agree that I am always entirely right there would be no problem.

Rinouchka you are right, he is Not our president

Yes, as I said grannypiper (before it was suggested that I'd had invasive brain surgery).

It may be unsurprising ww but by accepting it we are condoning it and are trapped in a never ending circle.
I have put out quite a challenge it's true, but I have signed up to it and hopefully you and others will.
There is no need for personal jibes/digs even in heated debate on politics.There can be digs ( for want if a better word) at the politics/ policies but not at the person.
Many others will join in if we can keep things civil between ourselves, and if anyone does get personal it could be ignored totally or if warranted reported.
The least we can do is to give it a go.

They 'choose not to post' WW for the very reason you say that we 'tear strips out of each other' ! It would be good to widen these political threads to a lot of members who are hesitant to post otherwise.
Being passionate about politics ( our own brand of it) doesn't excuse sarcasm et al.

I would like to say that you are always entirely right.....but just can't.

^ Badenkate Wed 01-Feb-17 15:21:48

I totally agree roses, there are many times I would like to join in, but decided not to - and the occasions when I have, I look a little later expecting to be attacked for what I have said. We don't all have thick skins, and I must admit that at times things have hurt.^

It is posts like this on gransnet that make me sad.

If rosesarered's idea on here does not work, I think an open letter to gransnet on Site Stuff may be the way to go.

Why should the politics threads on gransnet, be the sole preserve of those, who as Badenkate puts it,have thick skins?

On Trump, we do ( as a country) have to deal/talk with him, just as any other Leader, but actually more than that because of our historic link to the US.
We may be able to influence him in some small ways, you never know, but he will steam ahead with carrying out his promises ( as far as he is allowed) anyway, that he made to the people who got him elected.
Because of May's successful visit, anybody can fly in and out there from Britain ( so that is one small way, to start with.)
And yes, he isn't our Leader but theirs,at the end of the day.

Did anyone hear the chap on R4 this afternoon, talking to some folk in US. He was asking if they were Republicans and they said they were but none (I know it could be editied) declared 100% support for Trump and were very cagey about him. None wanted to give a name.

I do think that sometimes votes are cast with insufficient knowledge of the potential impact. Not sure how we get around that though!

I find the rows on Gransnet very entertaining; they spice it all up. What really offends me is the poor English Usuage of some posters. I know WW and DJ get up peoples noses but their posts are intelligent and informative (if sometimes biased). I can't be doing with wishy-washy liberal stuff any longer. We live in a hard pragmatic age and we should go along with it.

Poor English Usuage beam?