The Trump presidency

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/airports-us-immigration-ban-muslim-countries-trump

As confusion reigned, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security confirmed to Reuters that people with green cards, making them legal permanent US residents, were included in the ban.

“It will bar green card holders,” wrote Gillian Christensen, acting DHS spokeswoman, in an email.

Trump’s executive order, signed on Friday in Washington, temporarily banned refugees from around the world, blocked Syrian refugees indefinitely and halted entry for people from seven predominantly Muslim countries: Iraq, Syria, Iran, Yemen, Sudan, Libya and Somalia.

A state department spokesman confirmed to the Guardian that travellers who have dual nationality between a country on the list and another non-US country, for instance UK-Iraqi or Canadian-Somali citizenship,are barred from entering the US for 90 days. The order provides for giving priority to religious minorities in those Muslim countries; Trump has said the US will in future prioritise Christian refugees.
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In New York, two Iraqi refugees were detained at JFK airport. One, Hameed Khalid Darweesh, had worked in Iraq for the US government for 10 years. The other, Haider Sameer Abdulkhaleq Alshawi, was coming to the US to join his wife who had worked for a US contractor.

Congressman Nadler told the Guardian that anyone who was detained at an airport should “not sign anything and ask for a lawyer”.

“Donald Trump should revoke the executive order,” he said. “It’s unconstitutional on the grounds of religious discrimination.”

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and other groups filed a lawsuit challenging the detention of the two Iraqi men, and Darweesh was allowed to enter the US on Saturday afternoon. He spoke before around 100 protesters outside Terminal Four at JFK, who shouted: “No hate, No war, refugees are welcome here.”

Those people who have a 'Green Card' who are being prevented from being allowed into USA must be in an awful position with money and housing etc unless the Govt houses and feeds them. Some I think are being stopped before they board the plane.

What a shambles.

What is that inscription on the Statue of Liberty?

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

Careful, Anya, you're getting pretty close to agreeing with me on this.

Not all Americans agree with what is happening ( refugees/Muslim countries) but a lot do....and what happened on 9.11 has a lot to do with with it.

The people who caused 9/11 were mainly Saudi. Saudi Arabia is not on that list. Why not?

I don't think ( unless you have American friends or relatives) how shaken people there felt and still feel about that awful murderous day.

Not sure ( Saudi) it could be political.

But what I meant was that people generally in the US do not feel so generous towards Muslims as in the past, prior to 9.11.

I have American friends and relatives. They were mainly Saudi who did it. My American friends and relatives also know Muslims who would not hurt a fly.
I also know people who work in middle eastern countries. They were appalled, too. They did not condone it. They also do not blame all Americans or British for what has happened in their countries.

You do not help the world to be a better place by blaming whole religions for the actions of a few.

www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-muslim-ban-excludes-countries-linked-businesses-article-1.2957956

Trump politics, not US politics. This should lose him the presidency straight away.

Updated: Saturday, January 28, 2017, 5:34 PM

President Trump’s most recent executive order effectively bans citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S. for at least 90 days — but some Muslim countries were spared from the order's blacklist, even though they have deep-seated ties to terrorism.

Conspicuously, Trump doesn't hold any business interests in any of the countries on the list, but holds major stakes in several of those excluded from it, records show.

Friday’s executive order, signed at the Pentagon, suspends the issuing of U.S. visas or travel permits to people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

Not a single American was killed on U.S. soil by citizens from any of those countries between 1975 and 2015, according to statistics tallied by the conservative-leaning Cato Institute.

President Trump signs executive order targeting refugees
President Trump signs an executive order Friday effectively banning citizens from seven Muslim-majority nations from entering the U.S.
President Trump signs an executive order Friday effectively banning citizens from seven Muslim-majority nations from entering the U.S. (Olivier Douliery/Getty Images)

However, the same set of statistics show that nearly 3,000 Americans were killed by citizens from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Turkey in the same time period — with the bulk of those killed being victims of the 9/11 attacks. Yet, people from those four countries are still welcome to apply for U.S. visas and travel permits.

In a striking parallel, Trump’s sprawling business empire — which he has refused to rescind ownership of — holds multi-million dollar licensing and development deals in all of those countries, raising potential conflict of interest concerns and alarming questions over what actually went into the decision process behind Friday’s executive order.

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Sorry to lower the tone again. This picture wasn't on any news I saw. It's a Getty photo, so not photoshopped, I don't think.

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Sarah Wollaston would make a much better PM if it had to be a Tory.

twitter.com/sarahwollaston

Apparently a Federal Judge has blocked this but only temporarily.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/federal-judge-stays-deportations-trump-muslim-executive-order
US citizens often tell you that they have "checks and balances" built into their constitution (and that the founding fathers were very clever). I read somewhere that the constitution is supposed to prevent the US from being taken over by a mad king. We shall see.

Oo- just heard May saying that the way Americans treat refugees is up to the US. And then revising this to she cannot support what they are doing.

What you have to understand is that prior to 9.11 the feeling was generous towards refugees/immigrants, after that, the feeling changed somewhat ( human nature) especially toward Muslims.So Trump will be able to do what he wants in this regard, at least for a while.Hopefully it will change soon, as it is temporary.

It's worth noting that, back in 2011, Obama did pretty much the same thing as Trump has done, in issuing a temporary ban for people from certain countries, entering the USA, and very little, if anything was said about it at the time. In fact, Obama banned people from Iraq for 6 months, not 3 and he did it because he "was protecting US citizens from the threat of terrorism";the same reason that Trump gives now.

I'm not defending Trump, nor am I a supporter of his ideologies but his actions this weekend were not unprecedented. Obama got there 6 years before him.

Not sure if you will be able to read this, but if the USA truly wants to save the lives of its citizens then they should withdraw the right to carry arms.

So here's a thought. Trump is coming to this country and due to address Parliament.

Some of the people he will address are banned from his country. Indeed millions of people in this country will be banned from America.

Trump is also dictating about who he does or does not wish to meet regarding the royals.

I suggest that a withdrawal of the invitation should be considered.

Only a temporary ban for refugees -permanent ban for Muslims born in a Muslim country.

This folks is the face of populism and the politics of division.

Well done Trudeau

There does come a time when the actions by a country are not worth the candle. We can do without the 2% trade if Trump resists is his divisive politics.