Can the Tories be trusted with OUR National Health Service

"No matter what we think this government will be the government in 2021."

NHS, Annie? Appears to be missing.

Coming to this a bit late SAAK Durhamjen* (not Anniedurham or anybody) was asked to provide facts, links, stats and that is what she is doing

I have looked up the plans for my area dj. I posted about them somewhere or other. I've also sent a response, for all the good it will do.

The reason I mentioned 'class' was because saak seems to be a little confused. She mentioned 'home grown' doctors and nurses, which has nothing to do with class. In fact, some of her rantings seem to be straight out of a UKIP manifesto. The problems being experienced by the NHS have nothing to do with class or the nationality of doctors and nurses anyway, which are a distraction from the real issues.

As we know, many in the UKIP élite would like to privatise the NHS. There is nothing in anything UKIP has ever put forward which would improve the lot of the people they know claim to want to represent. I hope the penny is dropping with the Stoke fiasco. If it isn't, I despair. That's why I sincerely hope that people will vote Labour in Stoke, whatever their view of Corbyn and despite the fact that Gareth Snell would appear not to be a string candidate. It really is important that these UKIP charlatans, most of whom are members of the élite anyway, are stopped in their tracks.

I don't get the "stats"thing and they can say what they want. If you want to go by them then thats ok, i will of course state that they're pants.

@Ankers
But I do think people have to bear in mind that the tories, if that is who people are going to blame it on, didnt actually get into power until early May 2015
So was David Cameron (PM 2010-16) heading up a Labour government or don't you count the Coalition as a Conservative government?

Do you not believe in education, saak?

If I were a cynic (heaven forfend), I might think that the aversion to using caps and accurate grammar or the disdain for statistics is a Nuttall-type attempt to appear 'working class'. I'm sure it's not true, but if it were, it's incredibly patronising.

In any case, this thread is about Tories and the NHS. Of course the NHS isn't safe in Tory hands. The whole principle behind the NHS is that it's state-controlled and requires a transfer of wealth from the wealthier to the poorer, both of which are anathema to Tories. The UKIP élite are nearly all former Tories, but even the Conservatives weren't right-wing enough for them.

MawBroon Amazing isn't it? The Health Secretaries in the 2010-2015 government were Andrew Lansley and Jeremey Hunt. Maybe they were SWP plants!

inews.co.uk/essentials/lifestyle/wellbeing/wellness-prescriptions-heal-nhs/

This is brilliant. We need GP surgeries with gyms, swimming pools and libraries.
We can have our libraries back on the NHS! Or am I reading that wrongly. Being too hopeful?
I suppose as NHS and socialcare cuts are responsible for thousands of excess deaths each year, we will soon reach equilibrium.

I actually agree that gyms, libraries, public spaces, etc are as important for well-being as many prescription pills. I hope the opposition will hold the Conservatives to account and remind them of this document (not holding my breath I'm afraid).

The NHS doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's part of a society with shared values and a commitment to everybody's well-being, whether it be health, education, opportunities, etc etc.

I agree as well. It's just so odd that someone writes about that at a time of austerity and cuts to the NHS.
When I came out of hospital after I'd had my aortic dissection, I was having twenty tablets a day, eight different prescriptions. It's now down to eight tablets a day, with four different ones. I'd love to get that down, but my GP daren't. However, I haven't seen him or her for over a year - just chat with a nurse. I know going for a long walk makes me feel better, but the ice has only just gone today.
Not allowed to go to any of those fitness groups because they wouldn't know what to do if I had another aortic dissection while I was exercising!

Dont be scared off about talking about labour.

whitewave long ago decided her op shouldnt have been done in the way that it was.

And dont be scared of posters who tell you what to post.

Dont be scared full stop.

Is somebody pregnant and expecting a baby? Is that why we need to talk about labour (with a small 'l')?

whenever someone uses grammar and pedantics, they agree with whatever that poster has said

Oh no! Pedantics making a reappearance!?

On a whim, I bought a copy of Edward Lear's 'Complete Nonsense and Other Verse' yesterday. It makes more sense than your post of 07:10:24.

It was your post at 7.10.24

What word is it instead of pedantics?

Add comment | Report | Private message daphnedill Sat 18-Feb-17 07:10:24

Nope, 7.10.24 was definitely daphne
As far as I can see Ankers posted at 7.01, 7.03 , 7 17, 7.37 and 7.38

The point is, there is no such word as "pedantics" (as I said before)
Right?
There's "semantics","antics", "pedantry" or even " pedanticism"
But anybody with a dictionary or even access to Google could have found out for themselves
I hope anybody aiming to write even short sentences would not be afraid to "use grammar".
And I should have thought that in the written word, one should distinguish between Labour (political party) and "labour" which generally means "work " (as in manual labour) or the process of giving birth!!

And dont be scared of posters who tell you what to post.

Does that include people who tell you to provide links?
(Listening DJ? please include links to where you get your figures from, posters sometimes like to check them and their sources, context and accuracy etc )

Jen, how was I to know you hadn't bothered to read the post I replied to.

I take your point, but I asked not told.

Making decisions for a whole country entirely by what you see around you in YOUR area is all very well, and would give YOU want you want, but if you go somewhere else and look around you there, the scene could be entirely different.

Statistics are ways to add up reports and data from all areas and produce an overall picture. You can object to how those statistics are presented, interpreted and used, but the basic sums are neutral.

inews.co.uk/nhs/working-ae-ive-seen-pfis-held-back-hospitals/

Good article here in today's www.inew.co.uk

This has already happened at Hexham hospital. Northumberland council bought back the PFI, saving over £67 million.
Can't see why other areas can't do it.

Anyone have a care navigator?

"In South East London, health executives are forecasting a 25% shortfall in GP numbers by 2020-21, requiring an extra 134 GPs and 82 nurses to be hired if the system is not changed.
One of the ways it intends to deal with this shortfall is by hiring care navigators and physician associates to deal with some patients."