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Can the Tories be trusted with OUR National Health Service

(505 Posts)
whitewave Thu 09-Feb-17 08:16:20

Listening, watching and reading, I would say no.

MawBroon Sat 18-Feb-17 20:39:53

@Ankers grin

People on gransnet cannot seem to decide whether I am not very brainy or very brainy. There seems to be a gransnet split on that one
How and where, not to mention what has given rise to this imagined quandary?

Which people?
What is your criterion for being perceived "brainy"??

Ankers Sat 18-Feb-17 20:46:45

It has been happening often. I will point it out to you as well as Ana when it happens again. Aren't you lucky.

MawBroon Sat 18-Feb-17 20:49:17

Better lucky than deluded.

mcem Sat 18-Feb-17 20:50:52

Could I please be added to the list of those you'll notify about these scurrilous unfounded accusations?

Ana Sat 18-Feb-17 20:53:05

Please do, Ankers.

petra Sat 18-Feb-17 20:56:04

Ankers it has been happening often or, it often happens ( as I would prefer to put it). Which statement: you are brainy, or your not.

Ankers Sat 18-Feb-17 20:59:47

mcem, definitely.
petra, both. That is the point.

Ankers Sat 18-Feb-17 21:00:38

Later on, I will write sometime. that lots of people seem interested in me. And you will all deny it!

Ankers Sat 18-Feb-17 21:01:04

I find it all very weird.

Ana Sat 18-Feb-17 21:02:33

In the meantime, perhaps we can get back to the subject of the OP instead of you, you, you Ankers? grin

MawBroon Sat 18-Feb-17 21:06:08

I can think of three people (Ankers included ) who are or were very interested in this poster. One was called soontobe and the other obieone

POGS Sat 18-Feb-17 21:28:00

MawBroon

Should ALL posters with previous Usernames be subjected to having theirs printed, or just Ankers?

MawBroon Sat 18-Feb-17 21:33:15

Any can and may. I have made no secret of mine and neither have others. Nor have I a anybtime dnied a previous user name or attempted to mislead anybody so what is your somewhat ill-natured point?

MawBroon Sat 18-Feb-17 21:33:46

"At any time" -fat finger.

POGS Sat 18-Feb-17 21:43:48

My point is it is impolite and 'ill natured' to do so without agreement from the poster in question.

No doubt Annkers has got so used to this happening it is water off a ducks back but it doesn't sit right because it is a form of belittling., getting power over somebody.

I remember a right hooha when this happened years ago but Gransnet was different then and it was deemed to be against Forum Guidelines, now anything goes it seems.

POGS Sat 18-Feb-17 21:44:41

Context!

JessM Sat 18-Feb-17 21:48:31

Meanwhile a careful analysis attributes a rise in mortality in 2015 - 30,000 excess deaths - to NHS and social care cutbacks.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/17/health-cuts-most-likely-cause-major-rise-mortality-study-claims?CMP=twt_gu

durhamjen Sat 18-Feb-17 22:28:34

At the same time Hunt has decided to hold an enquiry into the nursing and midwifery council.

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/health/jeremy-hunt-nmc-investigation-morecambe-bay-scandal/

Why now? Why not earlier?
Not by any chance trying to deflect?

durhamjen Sat 18-Feb-17 23:48:31

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/18/charities-stop-nhs-rationing-critical-care

Hadn't realised that this was happening. It wasn't when my husband was diagnosed with cerebellar ataxia about ten years ago.

durhamjen Sun 19-Feb-17 23:26:27

The auditor general says that there must be a limit to austerity. Eventually you are cutting front line services. I wonder how many conversations he had with Hunt and Osborne.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-implications-of-central-decision-making-for-the-delivery-of-frontline-services/

JessM Mon 20-Feb-17 08:52:43

Odd, DJ after 2 years have passed. He's certainly a fan of distraction.

durhamjen Mon 20-Feb-17 11:50:45

Some NHS figures.

90% reduction in number of EU nationals applying to be nurses in Britain after Brexit vote.

5,000 government GP recruitment target by 2020.

100,000 more babies born in England in 2015 compared to 2001

3,500 shortage of midwives according to RCM

23% fall in number of people applying to be nurses after government axed the bursary scheme.

60,000 staff with EU nationality working in NHS.

24,000 unfilled nursing vacancies

JessM Mon 20-Feb-17 13:40:13

Even the Daily Mail is complaining today - headline is about thousands of beds that have been cut "by the NHS".

durhamjen Mon 20-Feb-17 19:03:57

I bet this wasn't mentioned in the DM.

www.rcpch.ac.uk/state-of-child-health

durhamjen Mon 20-Feb-17 19:06:35

kittysjones.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/the-poor-state-of-child-health-in-the-uk/