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Can the Tories be trusted with OUR National Health Service

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whitewave Thu 09-Feb-17 08:16:20

Listening, watching and reading, I would say no.

durhamjen Fri 24-Feb-17 10:30:54

home.38degrees.org.uk/2017/02/22/nhs-funding-preferences-choose-nhs-funding-ideas-prefer/

To choose how you want the NHS to be funded and send a message to Philip Hammond.

durhamjen Fri 24-Feb-17 18:57:50

There's a debate on Monday about the NHS and social care in the commons. 38 degrees are asking people to email their MPs to make sure they attend.

fumanchu Fri 24-Feb-17 19:33:38

I wouldn't trust a Tory full stop. With anything!

durhamjen Fri 24-Feb-17 19:59:18

One good thing the NHS has done. It took a petition of 163,000+ signatures.

"24 Feb 2017 — I am so so pleased to announce that today NHS England has changed their decision and with immediate effect, will be giving funding for 2nd Stem Cell Transplants to patients that have relapsed after a year or more.

I cannot begin to tell you how I am feeling right now as I am in complete and utter shock! It is such amazing news and I would like to thank each and everyone of you for helping us fight, for signing and for sharing this petition and backing us all the way, we could not have done any of this without you.

I will be putting another update out tomorrow when I have had time to let this all sink in, but I just needed to let you all know how amazing you are and how amazing this news is!

We really have made a difference to all those people out there who would be facing this right now or in the future.

Thank you all so much for sticking by us it really has been a rollercoaster of a ride, but what an amazing result! Now all we have to do is have our Sasha back to full health and we really will have her Happy Ever After!!!

PEOPLE POWER AT ITS BEST!!! AMAZING!!!! XXX "

durhamjen Fri 24-Feb-17 20:05:51

On the other hand....42% of EU doctors working in the NHS considering leaving, and 55% feel the government is not doing enough for international doctors.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-katharina-roberts/eu-referendum-migrants_b_14988212.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

durhamjen Sat 25-Feb-17 15:01:36

www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/rachel-clarke/how-do-you-keep-news-of-dozens-of-aes-closures-off-front-pages

durhamjen Mon 27-Feb-17 15:34:41

I think the question has been answered now.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39101489

durhamjen Tue 28-Feb-17 19:44:45

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/27/lost-test-results-diagnosing-jeremy-hunt-with-terminal-incompetence

Definitely time Hunt went.

durhamjen Tue 28-Feb-17 20:43:01

"This is the context in which we found that Jeremy Hunt had lost hundreds of thousands of patients’ files – a service that is under-funded to the point of collapse, whose leaders are fighting amongst themselves.

Mr Hunt has known about the cock-up since at least last July. Now, what was happening in July last year that might encourage him to hide evidence that his NHS was incompetent? A dispute over contracts with junior doctors, perhaps?

In the House of Commons yesterday (February 27), he lied to fellow members, saying nobody had been harmed by the misplacement of the files. In fact, 537 cases of possible patient harm are being investigated right now, including 173 in which harm seems certain."

You would never have known this when watching Hunt's statement yesterday in the commons.

durhamjen Fri 03-Mar-17 19:29:11

Patients being asked to volumteer to sleep in corridors.

nhsfunding.info/quality-of-care/nhs-staff-ask-least-bad-patients-sleep-corridors-amid-hospital-demand-crisis/

How has it come to that?

durhamjen Fri 03-Mar-17 19:38:09

An extremely detailed report on all the STPs.

nhscampaign.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=5f72f778439e38b1d18a28495&id=e76d1d6e4d&e=400b5458c0

You can look at as much or little detail as you want to.

durhamjen Sat 04-Mar-17 16:20:12

This is interesting. By Bernie Sander's brother.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/04/march-today-stop-pretending-we-cant-afford-nhs-public-healthcare-theresa-may

Penstemmon Sat 04-Mar-17 22:01:38

A lot of people today did not think the government had the British people's best interests at heart where the NHS is concerned!

GracesGranMK2 Sat 04-Mar-17 22:09:27

I put this post on the 'Tories' thread but realise it might be at least as appropriate here. I hope this is OK.

There is an article in the Economist (March 4 -10) which talks about the NHS and says there is "little dispute about the present system's dire condition" and that Mays government has three possible choices, having already raided the separate capital budget for long-term investment moving £950m into its revenue budget in 2015-2016 which they say they will probably have to do again. The three long-term possibilities are:

Put in more cash. As a percentage of GDP spending on the NHS has been falling steadily since 2010. Mr Hammond has repeatedly said there is no new money available so may find this difficult.

The second suggestion they give is to promote new models of care in the NHS using the STPs that are being drawn up. The article points out that recent reports say that these lack executive authority, a constant vision and would need pooled budgets commissioned by a single body.

The article sees the last suggested solution is the most controversial - raising more money by either a social insurance system or inheritance levy. It draws on the German example of deduction from pay or, thinking of the young, without houses or pensions, a levy on estates worth over a certain amount.

It points out that everything is on the table currently and suggests the government is prepared to think the unthinkable - we shall soon see.

daphnedill Sat 04-Mar-17 22:27:03

What's wrong with letting bias shine like a beacon?
So do others!

daphnedill Sat 04-Mar-17 22:51:51

The latest British Attitudes survey shows that the majority of the public is still happy with the NHS, although satisfaction has fallen since 2010.

The top reason for dissatisfation is waiting times and other issues related to resources. Very few people are dissatisfied with the quality of care. The vast majority of the public think that the NHS is underfunded. Where they differ is how improvements should be funded. People are divided about whether more should be paid through taxation or whether savings can be made. Some people are reluctant to pay more.

Nearly half of people who are dissatisfied with the NHS think that savings should be made by refusing to fund treatments which are poor value for money, such as cancer drugs which only extend life for a few months. This is, by far, the most popular chosen way of saving money.

natcen.ac.uk/our-research/research/british-social-attitudes/

A levy on pay would be a bad option, because so many people do not get paid through 'pay', including company directors, who pay themselves in dividends rather than income, and pensioners. It would need to have a different basis from NICs, which are a regressive tax.

whitewave Sat 04-Mar-17 22:59:10

Just back from A&E with DH. Got there at 2.30 this afternoon. Arrived home at 9.30!!! I am exhausted! Staff splendid, simply understaffed and overworked as far as I could see.

It is a tragedy to let it get to this sort of state - we will lose a jewel if we let this slide through our fingers.

durhamjen Sat 04-Mar-17 23:02:12

The NHS needs more money now. Both STPs and levies of any kind will be too late.

Penstemmon Sat 04-Mar-17 23:02:29

Hope your DH is OK.

durhamjen Sat 04-Mar-17 23:03:12

Is your husband okay, whitewave?

whitewave Sat 04-Mar-17 23:06:36

Yes we think so. Vertigo and sickness which apparently could have been a stroke or ear thing or something more sinister. More tests next week - just hope we don't have to wait do long. They've ruled out heart.

Fingers crossed it's his ears..

durhamjen Sat 04-Mar-17 23:09:36

Hope it's just his ears, then. Fingers crossed for him.

durhamjen Sun 05-Mar-17 20:38:31

" Hammond is one of the UK’s richest MPs, and reportedly had a net worth of £8.2million in 2014. He made his money principally through nursing home development."

But no money for the NHS and social care?

durhamjen Tue 14-Mar-17 22:08:36

This is what happens with the privatisation of NHS services.

www.hsj.co.uk/topics/legal/virgin-care-starts-legal-proceedings-against-nhs/7016425.article?blocktitle=News-(grid)&contentID=20682

I can't get the whole article up, but I've seen it on twitter, bit by bit.

durhamjen Tue 14-Mar-17 22:14:27

It's against Surrey county council and 8 commissioners.
Should be interesting.
Anyone get the hsj? All the links are to that article.