Can the Tories be trusted with OUR National Health Service

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Of course they did. They conned people into believing they meant it. They lied.

Exactly Fitzy54, but you won't get many on here agreeing that Labour hasn't got the answer either. It's just another Tory-bashing thread.

Easy targets

So what is your answer, Ana?

What's yours? I don't pretend to have one, but all you seem to do is sneer about Hunt.

Sorry for pushing in but I'll give my suggestion. I would suggest a hypothecated tax, where everyone and every company/ business pays something in, the amount being linked to affordability. This would cover both health care and social care for the elderly as all who are involved in the NHS seem to be telling us it's critical to link the two. Widely publicise the proposed tax and structure in advance to get buy-in. (The biggest hurdle would be cross party political agreement!). Add to that some form of independent responsibility for running the whole thing.

I think you'll find that cross-party agreement is on the parliamentary committees involved, the public accounts and the health committee.

I don't think we should be bounced into some form of privatisation. As the figures show, the Tory party does not increase NHS spending in line with the average, and hasn't every time it was in control. That is why there is a crisis. Every person in charge of the NHS has links to private healthcare companies, particularly in the US.

Sorry, Ana, but I'm not having that. You will find that the NHS is one of the things I care about most on here and in real life, and I do not just sneer at Hunt.

Perhaps you could tell us what you want from the NHS, instead of just sneering at me.

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Fitzy, look at this graph. It shows the Tories have borrowed more than Labour did, and look what a mess they have made of things, even though they have borrowed more. Can you explain what has happened to the money they have borrowed, as it hasn't gone on social care or the NHS?

It has been used to help pay for all the tax cuts given to the wealthy individuals and corporations

What on earth would be the point of me telling you what I want from the NHS? This thread isn't about that...

Okay, then, don't join in with the general course of the thread. Just stop sneering if you don't have anything to contribute.

No time now will get back to you all!

I don't do sneering durhamjen.

The general course of this thread does not involve people saying what they want from the NHS, it's about whether they trust the Tories to handle it.

But you haven't answered that, either.

Spending on the NHS in England has increased over recent years. The question is whether it is increasing enough to meet the needs of a growing and ageing population.

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According to the Institute of Fiscal Studies, there are 53.2m adults in the UK, of whom 30.1m are income tax payers. Of those, 4.4m pay higher rate tax and contribute 38.5% of total income tax revenue. An further 0.33m pay tax in the additional rate band and contribute 28.0% of total income tax. If these figures are correct, under 9% of UK adults contribute two-thirds of total income tax revenue.

I suspect the income tax contribution of higher tax payers has not declined substantially over recent years but, if I have time, I need to investigate further. If these figures are wrong, no doubt people will say so.

But income tax raises only about 25% of government income. The poorer you are, the more you pay proportionately in, for example, VAT, council tax, and many other taxes/duties.

When you add in NI Which is effectively additional income tax it's close to50%. Also the wealthy will pay more VAT as they spend more, more council tax, more stamp duty, more CGT and more inheritance tax. I don't pretend to know all the detail but I don't think our personal tax system is unfair.

Our hospitals in such dire straits due to over population, simple.

Rubbish. We haven't suddenly become vastly overpopulated compared with six years ago.
The Tories don't want to pay for the NHS as they want to privatise it. Simple.

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I think you will find that within the last 10 years we certainly have!

I think you will also find that GP practices have far more stringent rules therefore hospitals have become the place to go where no questions are asked. Friend is a practice manager so is privy to actual figures.

I did say within the last 6 years.
population has gone up 4.46% in ten years, 3.8% in the last six years.
Why do you think the population rose more under Tory control than Labour?

Because under every control in the last decade immigration was never tackled. It was seen to be some bigoted racial thing as are people who have voted to exit the EU.

It is.